in >>>>>"""""""my market"""""" <<<<< for a terminal it would be charolais hands downmccabe226":1a893k5e said:just wondering what i should use for a terminal sire on true black baldie cows, a pure bred limo or an angus limo cross. also wondering if i did use a black limo angus cross would i get any red calves?
you mean the real baldy... not the other ones running around dressed up like baldies :cowboy: ...your right,, about any of em will cross goodNorthern Rancher":1w74nxub said:Maybe consider going back Angus on them and selling the heifers at a premium. On a good black baldy cow I'm talking herf/angus just about any breed will cross well.
if its anything like our saturday sale i believe you,,, thats where every cull in north ala. come together in one mind and one accordxbred":qrvk59de said:i've got some dressed up like he real thing, and i can get a premium for them...if i drop 'em off at a saturday sale barn...
hillbillycwo":3t32himj said:3Way,
Do you use the Gelbvieh bulls? I am thinking and researching putting one on my herd of Angus and Char based cows. Your thoughts?
hillbillycwo":2oy5n23j said:3Way,
Do you use the Gelbvieh bulls? I am thinking and researching putting one on my herd of Angus and Char based cows. Your thoughts?
WichitaLineMan":14jpc1dn said:Well, once they were past their first calf, in my mind the best route to go is Charolais.
hillbillycwo":pvo1jn7j said:Was thinking that the GV bull would be a win win for me. The added milk and capacity that they bring to the heifers would make some nice crossed replacements and of course the calf WW/YW gains would give great flexability to the steers going to the market or to the steers I am considering feeding out to sell as quarters and sides. When I have compared the GV to the Angus I am just much more impressed by the growth rates and appearance of the GV sired calves. They don't appear as boring to look at as the Angus calves and we have always used the LBW Angus bulls (probably still will on heifers).
Would the Balancer heifers be as acceptible for replacements as the GV? The replacements I have picked out now from the Angus/Char crossed heifers are full of capacity(compared to the others in my herd). I will breed them at 16 months and am leaning towards a LBW Angus bull for the first breeding but then again the BW/CE numbers for the GV bulls are very low in risk and I could go straight to one of those. THoughts?
me too,,3waycross":g9aqqay5 said:hillbillycwo":g9aqqay5 said:Was thinking that the GV bull would be a win win for me. The added milk and capacity that they bring to the heifers would make some nice crossed replacements and of course the calf WW/YW gains would give great flexability to the steers going to the market or to the steers I am considering feeding out to sell as quarters and sides. When I have compared the GV to the Angus I am just much more impressed by the growth rates and appearance of the GV sired calves. They don't appear as boring to look at as the Angus calves and we have always used the LBW Angus bulls (probably still will on heifers).
Would the Balancer heifers be as acceptible for replacements as the GV? The replacements I have picked out now from the Angus/Char crossed heifers are full of capacity(compared to the others in my herd). I will breed them at 16 months and am leaning towards a LBW Angus bull for the first breeding but then again the BW/CE numbers for the GV bulls are very low in risk and I could go straight to one of those. THoughts?
There's plenty of low birthweight GV and Balancer bulls out there. But do you need that. Breed your heifers for a good calving experience with the idea that those calves are terminal, breed your older cows for high gaining steers and heifers with good capacity. Avoid extremes wherever possible.
Just a thought I may start a fight with this statement but I believe strongly that you can breed the calving ease right out of a herd with calving ease bulls if you are not careful.