backhoeboogie
Well-known member
There's a couple of gray ones here. The old man in the front of this community has run Chars for years. Those gray ones showed up in the last few years. The stand out in a crowd.
VLS_GUY":utno5jgx said:I would like to see a source verification program for CAB if I sold Angus bulls for a living. If Angus cattle possess some unique meat quality all other breeds lack then why not defend the brand? Remember that even though Microsoft can't catch all software counterfeiters going after the cases they do does two things: discourage counterfeiting activity and shows that the trademark (brand) is is worth defending. If you do not defend your brand the courts will not think that you product has the advantages claimed (no economic worth) and won't consider trademark infringement civil cases as a result.
The fact that CAB is not going after those that misrepresent cattle and beef as Angus sourced suggests to me they are not confident in their ability to enforce any sort of brand or trademark rules though the courts due to lack of past enforcement (source verification) or uniqueness of the end product that can be documented.
3waycross":2ezpg6zx said:Frankie believe me when I say I am not picking a fight. Bud you just made the point that they are willing to protect the BRAND not the product.
Doesn't all meat have to meet USDA specs before it can be put on the shelf? You're suggesting that any beef could qualify as CAB.Frankie":3lv33zmq said:3waycross":3lv33zmq said:Frankie believe me when I say I am not picking a fight. Bud you just made the point that they are willing to protect the BRAND not the product.
What's to defend? If the PRODUCT meets the USDA-approved specifications, it's stamped and sold as CAB.
They've been psted on here a dozen time, READ THE CAB specs!novaman":3kbqnrgb said:You're suggesting that any beef could qualify as CAB.
VLS_GUY":18u8ytps said:In short it is not considered a high quality product in the trade despite the hype.
SHRHog- You are correct. However, according to the Certified Angus Beef requirements it does satisfy the specifications. So why the ??! With some dedicated effort, anyone has the ability to improve their marketing skills by using an Angus Bull ( of OPTIMUM quality ), IF they select the right cow genetics to which to breed the bull! Even good Hereford cows can establish a quality breeding Terminal program for increased marketing income! What is the rationale for beating your head against a wall in anger when it would be to your advantage to "join 'em" instead of battling the genetic facts? The Angus breed has MANY optimum Phenotype and Genotype traits that translate and deliver PROFIT to the bottom lines of many producers! So do OTHER breeds which have black hides!HEREFORD ROADHOG":1uliuq00 said:In my book the Black Or Red Charlois should be listed under CROSSBREED. just like Black Herefords,Black Simmentals, Black Shorthorns or any other PRUEBRED variety that is not pureblooded. :???: What really gets me is all the "certified Angus beef" that everyone sells.Just because it came out of a black cow dosen't make it Angus.
upfrombottom":1i9gdt5s said:There is another way to look at it: Over 92% of all beef processed in the US does not meet CAB specs. With Black Angus the most popular breed in the US, you would have to believe that not all Black cattle including Angus will meet the specs.
VLS_GUY":2v6x5ynb said:The posting of the specifications for CAB qualified beef doesn't impress me. Remember the stated percentage of cattle that qualify for CAB is on the total U.S. kill that includes dairy cattle, cull cows, and every other non grain fed animal sent to the packer. The fact that YG 3 cattle can qualify for CAB is not very impressive. But again that is not my main criticism. When the name of you product has a cattle breed in it and a illustration of one of the breeds steers is commonly displayed with the name it is implied that the beef is from that breed. The fact that the regulations do not source verify beyond visual appraisal weakens the brand and tells me that the main benefactors from CAB are not the breeders but are the packers and retailers that sell the beef. If I can use a black bull from another breed and get the calves on CAB to suit the feeder and packers needs better then how does that not impact Angus breeders adversely by reducing bull demand?
Lastly, a large part of CAB sales comes from Hamburger (supplied to McDonald's, Carls Jr, Hardee's etc.). This meat is produced at grinders such as Miller meats from oceanic frozen lean and Angus fat trimmings. The final product is 60% lean, 40 % fat and is sold as pure Angus beef. The worst hamburger in the grocery store is 70/30. Generally the leaner hamburger is the higher the quality. My wife used to work for CKE corporate (Carl's Hardees etc) and filled me in what the meat used in the Angus burgers actually is. In short it is not considered a high quality product in the trade despite the hype.
VLS_GUY":2k25hfx2 said:The fact is that the vast majority of consumers do not know or care to know about the difference between CAB and other ************* beef programs. To them the Angus beef in a fast food burger is the same thing as CAB. It come from an Angus cow right? You have to look at the big picture just not whether the current rules of the program are being obeyed. How can Angus breeders benefit more from the program?
The fact that you refer to hot dogs that contain CAB does not help your case. All beef hot dogs are the best of the lot but are still not considered a high quality meat product (lots of fat, salt, etc.). Putting the CAB label on hot dogs would like putting a BMW emblem on a Yugo and marketing the result as a BMW; all you are doing is hurting the BMW brand. Right now the highest priced branded beef in this town is Laura's Lean. Laura's Lean is not perfect with some quality missteps but they have been consistent in masrketing leaner high end product.
In my opinion all breed based beef programs have the same two problems: being vulnerable to market encroachment and weak market power versus other parts of the production chain (packers and retailers). It would be far better for one quality beef program exist (merge them) so that producers can have better market power versus the rest of the marketing chain. Right now the most direct benefit purebred breeders get from breed based beef marketing is the licensing money paid the the breed association. This lowers the cost of running the association but is a very small piece of the pie. If you had the requirement that all the calves be all least half Angus for example the benefits to the member of the breed association would be much more direct.
Frankie":6kum5j43 said:No one buys a $6 burger at Carls, Jr. and expects a steak dinner. And those $6 burgers are good.
dun":2ttotfsg said:I think this is the longest any discussion that mentioned CAB has stayed relatively civil and hasn;t been locked