Ebola in the USA

[TexasBred]

Chuckie, I can appreciate your pro-life stance. But what Gates said is very true, and yes the truth hurts sometimes. I applaud folks that tell it like it is, don't need no sugar coating here.

As long as it's not your love ones that are affected. You ready to sacrifice a daughter or maybe your wife with a "your not worth it" attitude??

 

[hurleyjd]

While everyone is focused of Ebola, there is another near epidemic that is occurring which is the Entrovirus that is infected kids. with limb paralysis. Sounds as if it about the same thing as Polio. Would any healthcare workers recognize the polio symptoms right off as there as not been any any cases in a long time and was any training of workers to recognize Polio been implemented because of the fact that Polio had been eradicated from the globe. Also a lot of young mothers do not believe in vaccinations of their children because of the government telling them they need to.

With good reason :2cents: :hide:

Was you vaccinated as a child and how did it affect you.

I remember in the late forties when I was in school the county health doctor came to school and every child was lined up and given the vaccines. Also remember in the late forties a man came around with a army truck with a tank and sprayed the houses with DDT. A sticker was put in the window showing it had been sprayed. This was for bedbugs and other vermin. I can also remember my dad talking about the first window screens being installed on their house. Dad was born in 1910. Before the screens he said they would be eat up with mosquitoes. I am 74 an still going strong today but another day may bring sudden death we never know. Burying the mother in law today, she was in good shape Wed. when going to bed got up Thur morning with a big head ache fell over in a coma and was dead by 2 o'clock that after noon. She would have been 90 this month.

 

[Hook]

While everyone is focused of Ebola, there is another near epidemic that is occurring which is the Entrovirus that is infected kids. with limb paralysis. Sounds as if it about the same thing as Polio. Would any healthcare workers recognize the polio symptoms right off as there as not been any any cases in a long time and was any training of workers to recognize Polio been implemented because of the fact that Polio had been eradicated from the globe. Also a lot of young mothers do not believe in vaccinations of their children because of the government telling them they need to.

With good reason :2cents: :hide:

And just yesterday you were condemning "big pharma" for developing meds to treat sickness instead of developing vaccines to prevent them. Make up your mind.....You can't have it both ways !!!! It does no good to develop vaccines if receiving the vaccines remains voluntary. Too many people would skip the vaccine and continue to spread the disease because "nobody is going to tell me what to do"!!!!

I only condemned the lucrative nature of treating a disease vs curing it. Not necc big pharm. I can have it both ways. If I get sick I want the choice of curing it. If I choose not to vaccinate, it's my risk. Now, if there was a vaccination for cancer, that would put a lot doctors in a hurting way.

 

[Hook]

While everyone is focused of Ebola, there is another near epidemic that is occurring which is the Entrovirus that is infected kids. with limb paralysis. Sounds as if it about the same thing as Polio. Would any healthcare workers recognize the polio symptoms right off as there as not been any any cases in a long time and was any training of workers to recognize Polio been implemented because of the fact that Polio had been eradicated from the globe. Also a lot of young mothers do not believe in vaccinations of their children because of the government telling them they need to.

With good reason :2cents: :hide:

Was you vaccinated as a child and how did it affect you.

I remember in the late forties when I was in school the county health doctor came to school and every child was lined up and given the vaccines. Also remember in the late forties a man came around with a army truck with a tank and sprayed the houses with DDT. A sticker was put in the window showing it had been sprayed. This was for bedbugs and other vermin. I can also remember my dad talking about the first window screens being installed on their house. Dad was born in 1910. Before the screens he said they would be eat up with mosquitoes. I am 74 an still going strong today but another day may bring sudden death we never know. Burying the mother in law today, she was in good shape Wed. when going to bed got up Thur morning with a big head ache fell over in a coma and was dead by 2 o'clock that after noon. She would have been 90 this month.

Sorry for your loss Hurley. But I don't expect you to agree with me given you're nature and views on most things. A lot of things thought to be safe 50 years ago are no longer considered to be so. It wouldn't surprise me if proof came out saying the same thing about some vaccinations 50 years from now.
This thread is about Ebola though, and how that would be dealt with here. Looks like we are all getting ready to find out. So far the response is less than impressive

 

[TexasBred]

I only condemned the lucrative nature of treating a disease vs curing it. Not necc big pharm. I can have it both ways. If I get sick I want the choice of curing it. If I choose not to vaccinate, it's my risk. Now, if there was a vaccination for cancer, that would put a lot doctors in a hurting way.

Such shallow thinking. If YOU get sick you jeopardize the health and safety of everyone just like these folks with ebola. But they have an excuse....there is no vaccine YET. I'd hate Deadeye to lose his life just because dad was hard headed. Don't worrya bout the doctors. With folks that think like you they'll always have patients even though most will be terminal.

 

[Hook]

I've had my vaccinations. So has deadeye. But if I hadn't, how would that hurt everyone else? Who, most likely has been vaccinated. Assuming most vaccinations do what they are supposed to. Let's say 10% don't get vaccinated. And of that 10%, .001% get sick from something that could've been vaccinated for.
Last I checked this was still the United States with freedoms, an among those freedoms are the right to choose what's best for ourselves in a given situation. I'll risk being that .001% just to have the educated choice in the matter.
Vaccinations aren't the end all be all a lot of people think they are. They don't always work, there are complications (sometimes fatal) and in some cases the long term effects are even fully known yet. I suspect there's a host of neurological affects possibly as a result of vaccinations.

 

[john250]

I've had my vaccinations. So has deadeye. But if I hadn't, how would that hurt everyone else? Who, most likely has been vaccinated. Assuming most vaccinations do what they are supposed to. Let's say 10% don't get vaccinated. And of that 10%, .001% get sick from something that could've been vaccinated for.
Last I checked this was still the United States with freedoms, an among those freedoms are the right to choose what's best for ourselves in a given situation. I'll risk being that .001% just to have the educated choice in the matter.
Vaccinations aren't the end all be all a lot of people think they are. They don't always work, there are complications (sometimes fatal) and in some cases the long term effects are even fully known yet. I suspect there's a host of neurological affects possibly as a result of vaccinations.

Well, if enough people believe like you, we have an instant epidemic. Anti-vaxxers are the far end of stupid, Hook, and I've seen enough here to know you aren't stupid, but really? Why do you believe this? I don't get it?

 

[Hook]

Because I'm not naive enough to believe everything the gov tells me. A friends kid died as a direct result of vacc, my nephew has exhibited neurological/troubling symptoms ever since his last mmr vacc (within 3 days), and other anecdotal reasons. Mmr is probably the most problematic because the compound nature of it being a 3 in 1, and the number of boosters needed. Agent orange was considered "safe" at one point too.

 

[greybeard]

I've had my vaccinations. So has deadeye. But if I hadn't, how would that hurt everyone else? Who, most likely has been vaccinated. Assuming most vaccinations do what they are supposed to. Let's say 10% don't get vaccinated. And of that 10%, .001% get sick from something that could've been vaccinated for.
Last I checked this was still the United States with freedoms, an among those freedoms are the right to choose what's best for ourselves in a given situation. I'll risk being that .001% just to have the educated choice in the matter.
Vaccinations aren't the end all be all a lot of people think they are. They don't always work, there are complications (sometimes fatal) and in some cases the long term effects are even fully known yet. I suspect there's a host of neurological affects possibly as a result of vaccinations.

This, is among the most ignorant, narrowminded and selfish things I've ever seen posted here. You and your friggin flipflop clad feet aren't the only thing important in the bigger scheme of things. I've been in countries where diseases run rampant and people, mostly young children suffer and die needlessly because of "ME ME ME ME!" mindsets like yours and we don't need that type of fool or foolishness here in this country. You have indeed, chosen your avatar wisely and aptly.

 

[Hook]

All I'm saying gb is that as long as this is a free country people have the right to choose their route of healthcare protocols. Just as some don't vaccinate their cattle.i can understand how people have become distrustful of what they are told. You should go back and practice some reading comprehension, specifically where I say that my family is all vaccinated. :roll:

 

[greybeard]

I read it, and have never had any problem with reading comprehension.

 

[Hook]

I read it, and have never had any problem with reading comprehension.

Over react often? Or would you prefer mandatory vaccinations for the public like they have in the military. There's a reason they are not compulsory. It's called the constitution

 

[TexasBred]

I read it, and have never had any problem with reading comprehension.

Over react often? Or would you prefer mandatory vaccinations for the public like they have in the military. There's a reason they are not compulsory. It's called the constitution

State law requiring madatory vaccination as a condition of attending school is constitutional

Workman v. Mingo County Sch., No. 09-2352 (4th Cir. Mar. 22, 2011)

Abstract: A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit (MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) has ruled, in an unpublished opinion, that a West Virginia statute requiring mandatory vaccination of children as a condition of attending school in the state is constitutional. The panel concluded that the parent's Free Exercise, Equal Protection, and Due Process Clauses challenges were without merit.

The panel concluded that the weight of U.S. Supreme Court precedent regarding state mandatory vaccination laws supported the conclusion that the statute does not infringe on either the parent's or child's free exercise of religion rights. The panel likewise rejected the as-applied and facial equal protection challenges, finding the statute's lack of a religious exemption was not discriminatory on its face. Finally, the panel found the mother's substantive due process right to refuse to have her child immunized as a condition to attending school in West Virginia was not a fundamental right subject to Fourteenth Amendment due process protection.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

So you are arguing against vaccinations while at the same time admitting you and your entire family ARE vaccinated. Is that correct?

 

[greybeard]

It's correct because his state law (like most civilized places) REQUIRES all school children to be vaccinated except in cases of religious belief or a valid physician supported reason for not vaccinating.

1003.22 School-entry health examinations; immunization against communicable diseases; exemptions; duties of Department of Health.—
(1) Each district school board and the governing authority of each private school shall require that each child who is entitled to admittance to kindergarten, or is entitled to any other initial entrance into a public or private school in this state, present a certification of a school-entry health examination performed within 1 year before enrollment in school. Each district school board, and the governing authority of each private school, may establish a policy that permits a student up to 30 school days to present a certification of a school-entry health examination. Children and youths who are experiencing homelessness and children who are known to the department, as defined in s. 39.0016, shall be given a temporary exemption for 30 school days. Any district school board that establishes such a policy shall include provisions in its local school health services plan to assist students in obtaining the health examinations. However, a child shall be exempted from the requirement of a health examination upon written request of the parent of the child stating objections to the examination on religious grounds.
(2) The State Board of Education, subject to the concurrence of the Department of Health, shall adopt rules to govern medical examinations and immunizations performed under this section.
(3) The Department of Health may adopt rules necessary to administer and enforce this section. The Department of Health, after consultation with the Department of Education, shall adopt rules governing the immunization of children against, the testing for, and the control of preventable communicable diseases. The rules must include procedures for exempting a child from immunization requirements. Immunizations shall be required for poliomyelitis, diphtheria, rubeola, rubella, pertussis, mumps, tetanus, and other communicable diseases as determined by rules of the Department of Health. The manner and frequency of administration of the immunization or testing shall conform to recognized standards of medical practice. The Department of Health shall supervise and secure the enforcement of the required immunization. Immunizations required by this section shall be available at no cost from the county health departments.
(4) Each district school board and the governing authority of each private school shall establish and enforce as policy that, prior to admittance to or attendance in a public or private school, grades kindergarten through 12, or any other initial entrance into a Florida public or private school, each child present or have on file with the school a certification of immunization for the prevention of those communicable diseases for which immunization is required by the Department of Health and further shall provide for appropriate screening of its students for scoliosis at the proper age. Such certification shall be made on forms approved and provided by the Department of Health and shall become a part of each student's permanent record, to be transferred when the student transfers, is promoted, or changes schools. The transfer of such immunization certification by Florida public schools shall be accomplished using the Florida Automated System for Transferring Education Records and shall be deemed to meet the requirements of this section.
(5) The provisions of this section shall not apply if:
(a) The parent of the child objects in writing that the administration of immunizing agents conflicts with his or her religious tenets or practices;
(b) A physician licensed under the provisions of chapter 458 or chapter 459 certifies in writing, on a form approved and provided by the Department of Health, that the child should be permanently exempt from the required immunization for medical reasons stated in writing, based upon valid clinical reasoning or evidence, demonstrating the need for the permanent exemption;
(c) A physician licensed under the provisions of chapter 458, chapter 459, or chapter 460 certifies in writing, on a form approved and provided by the Department of Health, that the child has received as many immunizations as are medically indicated at the time and is in the process of completing necessary immunizations;
(d) The Department of Health determines that, according to recognized standards of medical practice, any required immunization is unnecessary or hazardous; or
(e) An authorized school official issues a temporary exemption, for up to 30 school days, to permit a student who transfers into a new county to attend class until his or her records can be obtained. Children and youths who are experiencing homelessness and children who are known to the department, as defined in s. 39.0016, shall be given a temporary exemption for 30 school days. The public school health nurse or authorized private school official is responsible for followup of each such student until proper documentation or immunizations are obtained. An exemption for 30 days may be issued for a student who enters a juvenile justice program to permit the student to attend class until his or her records can be obtained or until the immunizations can be obtained. An authorized juvenile justice official is responsible for followup of each student who enters a juvenile justice program until proper documentation or immunizations are obtained.
(6)(a) No person licensed by this state as a physician or nurse shall be liable for any injury caused by his or her action or failure to act in the administration of a vaccine or other immunizing agent pursuant to the provisions of this section if the person acts as a reasonably prudent person with similar professional training would have acted under the same or similar circumstances.
(b) No member of a district school board, or any of its employees, or member of a governing board of a private school, or any of its employees, shall be liable for any injury caused by the administration of a vaccine to any student who is required to be so immunized or for a failure to diagnose scoliosis pursuant to the provisions of this section.
(7) The parents of any child admitted to or in attendance at a Florida public or private school, grades prekindergarten through 12, are responsible for assuring that the child is in compliance with the provisions of this section.
(8) Each public school, including public kindergarten, and each private school, including private kindergarten, shall be required to provide to the county health department director or administrator annual reports of compliance with the provisions of this section. Reports shall be completed on forms provided by the Department of Health for each kindergarten, and other grade as specified; and the reports shall include the status of children who were admitted at the beginning of the school year. After consultation with the Department of Education, the Department of Health shall establish by administrative rule the dates for submission of these reports, the grades for which the reports shall be required, and the forms to be used.
(9) The presence of any of the communicable diseases for which immunization is required by the Department of Health in a Florida public or private school shall permit the county health department director or administrator or the State Health Officer to declare a communicable disease emergency. The declaration of such emergency shall mandate that all students in attendance in the school who are not in compliance with the provisions of this section be identified by the district school board or by the governing authority of the private school; and the school health and immunization records of such children shall be made available to the county health department director or administrator. Those children identified as not being immunized against the disease for which the emergency has been declared shall be temporarily excluded from school by the district school board, or the governing authority of the private school, until such time as is specified by the county health department director or administrator.
(10) Each district school board and the governing authority of each private school shall:
(a) Refuse admittance to any child otherwise entitled to admittance to kindergarten, or any other initial entrance into a Florida public or private school, who is not in compliance with the provisions of subsection (4).
(b) Temporarily exclude from attendance any student who is not in compliance with the provisions of subsection (4).
(11) The provisions of this section do not apply to those persons admitted to or attending adult education classes unless the adult students are under 21 years of age.
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[Hook]

My son is homeschooled. Vacc laws don't apply there.
I'm not pro vacc, or against vacc. I'm pro freedom to choose and can see how some choose not to.

 

[Chuckie]

highgrit,
I can't believe you would make that remark over Gates killing someone's children with vaccines.

 

[hurleyjd]

I just read an article about ebola in Africa. The areas that are hit the hardest are where people live in cramped unsanitary conditions. Open sewers and such. Also some believe that the care givers are giving the people the ebola. Also some of the persons are quarantined and the family will slip them out and take them someplace else. There seems to be a lot on miss understanding about the diasese and what causes it among the people.

 

[dun]

They've been fighting ebola in afrcia for 40 years, just sometimes it gets worse outbreaks then others.

 

[greybeard]

My son is homeschooled. Vacc laws don't apply there.
I'm not pro vacc, or against vacc. I'm pro freedom to choose and can see how some choose not to.

For those who choose not to, do they also get to choose which of their neighbor kids live or die or get sick because they choose not to?
(no--it is NOT a rhetorical question)