Ebola in the USA

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"They need to set up a quarantine facility in DC. They can transport everyone there via Air Force 1.

It would change policy in a hurry. Obama hates Texas."

Now wait a minute. Obama gave a speech at the local high school a couple of years ago and he started out his speech. "It's good to be back in Tex...ah...Kansas". (And they were sure to edit as needed for the evening new.)

His subconscious thoughts are he's glad to be in Texas.
 
D2Cat":29d5ztk6 said:
"They need to set up a quarantine facility in DC. They can transport everyone there via Air Force 1.

It would change policy in a hurry. Obama hates Texas."

Now wait a minute. Obama gave a speech at the local high school a couple of years ago and he started out his speech. "It's good to be back in Tex...ah...Kansas". (And they were sure to edit as needed for the evening new.)

His subconscious thoughts are he's glad to be in Texas.

Obama had probably been smoking some of that dwarf threadleaf japanese maple. :shock:
 
The Dallas victim was not ill until several days after he landed, so he presented himself to the local ER. The first 2 groups of patients were aid workers who came to the US when they were already ill, so much more planning ahead of time could be done. The Texas guy literally just rolled in from the street. Once there, he was sick enough that I'm sure the decision was made to not risk spreading it by moving him. (He had already barfed in the ambulance). The virus is not terribly transmissible (compared to many others); the bad side is that it has a very long incubation period (so victims can be shedding virus for awhile before they realize what they have), and it's quite lethal: 50-90% fatality rate. In affected countries in Western Africa, people are trying to "vaccinate" themselves by buying and injecting blood from victims who recuperated from it. (Not as crazy as it sounds, although they can't screen the blood for HIV, etc. I think they gave the Kansas victim blood (screened, I'm sure) from the dr that recuperated from it at Emory).
 
"Obama had probably been smoking some of that dwarf threadleaf japanese maple. :shock:"

He didn't have his teleprompter! Had to think on his feet. A lot of "uhs" in his sentences.
 
So we can pretty much guess that the US government has no knowledge of how bio security works.
You don't let animals that have been on a "dirty" farm, go to a "clean" farm, and the same goes for people traveling to, or from major bio unsecured countries.
 
At this point, I am not at all convinced that Ebola is anywhere near as difficult to contract as is being reported.

It is of course, one of the jobs of CDC and the govt as a whole, to try to keep a lid on things, reassure people, prevent panic etc.
The medical field is way out of my area of expertise (as are most things) but one thing in particular has bothered me about Ebola and what has been happening in West Africa.

The high number of healthcare workers who have been infected.

The docs, nurses etc. They take precautions, dress for the job, know the risk, yet a comparatively large number of them have been infected. At least 2 US doctors working in West Africa have come down with it and one nurse. The pictures we see show the care givers in scrubs, gloves, masks--some look ready to go to a hazmat accident, yet the reports out of West Africa say they have lost a lot of their trained personnel.



Healthcare workers -
Healthcare workers, already in very short supply in the impoverished countries hardest-hit by the outbreak, have paid an especially heavy price. As of September 28, 377 of them had been infected across four west African countries and 216 had died.

Guinea: 67 healthcare workers infected, 35 of whom have died.

Liberia: 185 healthcare workers infected, 95 of whom have died.

Sierra Leone: 114 healthcare workers infected, 81 of whom have died.

Nigeria: 11 healthcare workers infected, five of whom have died.

http://timesofindia.indiati...cleshow/44035961.cms
 
This is what I found on Ebola, and catching it......
http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/09/12/46680/how-do-you-catch-ebola-by-air-sweat-or-water/

But if you compare how contagious the Ebola virus is to, say SARS or the measles, Ebola just doesn't stack up. In fact, the virus is harder to catch than the common cold.

That's because there has been no evidence that Ebola spreads between people through the air. Health experts repeatedly emphasize that human-to-human transmission requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids, including blood, vomit and feces.

And to infect, those fluids have to reach a break in the skin or the mucous membranes found around your eyes, mouth and nose.

But that hasn't stopped two-thirds of Americans from thinking that the virus spreads "easily," a poll from Harvard School of Public Health found in August. Almost 40 percent of the 1,025 people surveyed said they worry about an Ebola epidemic in the U.S. More than a quarter were concerned about catching the virus themselves.

Many questions still linger. Is Ebola really not airborne? Can it spread through contaminated water? What about through a drop of blood left behind on a table?

So we took those questions to two virologists: Alan Schmaljohn at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, and Jean-Paul Gonzalez at Metabiota, a company that tracks global infectious diseases.

Is the Ebola virus really not airborne?

With airborne illnesses, like influenza or tuberculosis, you can easily get sick by inhaling tiny pathogenic particles floating around in the air. But with Ebola, large droplets — which neither travel very far nor hang in the air for long — are the real risk factors.

That means an Ebola-infected person would likely have to cough or sneeze up blood or other bodily fluids directly in your face for you to catch the virus, Schmaljohn says. If that drop of blood doesn't land on your face, it will just fall to the ground. It won't be swimming in the air, waiting to be breathed in by an unsuspecting passerby.

During the 1995 Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention followed 173 family members of 27 people infected with the virus. Seventy-eight people had no direct contact with an infected person, but they could have been exposed to Ebola through the air. None got infected.

The 28 family members who did get sick all had some sort of physical contact with an ill person.

"We've known for years that Ebola can be transmitted through direct contact with infected bodily fluids," Gonzalez says. "This is very clear, only direct contact."

So why does the question of airborne transmission keep coming up?

Well, "airborne" is a broad term that simply means "transported by air." If a drop of infected blood is sprayed directly from a needle to a person, then yes that contagious droplet was technically carried through the air.

But there is "no convincing epidemiological evidence that airborne transmission occurs from an infected person to a nearby non-infected person," Schmaljohn says.

The confusion surrounding this topic, he adds, is well-deserved, in part because health officials often try to simplify their messages. So they don't spend much time fleshing out "exceptions and extraordinary possibilities," he says.

"As they simplify it, they start to sound like an absolute," Schmaljohn says. "And people are smart enough to disbelieve absolutes."

He says to think about the methods of Ebola transmission as high-risk or low-risk. There's a high risk, for example, of catching Ebola if you shake hands with an infected patient and a very low one if that same person coughs or sneezes around you.

Although it's clear that Ebola is passed through bodily fluids, are some fluids more effective transmitters than others?

The virus is most abundant in blood and diarrhea. In fact, a milliliter of blood typically carries about a million infectious particles. And in a controlled lab, just a small drop of blood from an infected monkey can be strong enough to kill a million of its companions, Schmaljohn says.

A CDC study in 2007 found that Ebola is shed through other bodily fluids during the illness, such as saliva, breast milk and semen. In most cases, these fluids were not visibly contaminated by blood, but they still contained the virus. That study didn't look at sweat, but another one suggested that Ebola could be passed on through sweat.

Researchers suspect the amount of Ebola in these other fluids, like saliva and sweat, to be much lower.

How long can Ebola virus particles survive in a drop of blood on a surface outside the body?

A drop of blood can remain contagious outside the body. And virus particles can survive for days or weeks, depending on the environment. Ultraviolet light, heat and exposure to oxygen gradually deactivate the virus, while cooler temperatures and humidity help keep it active.

"Blood, once it's outside the body, contains all the virus it's ever going to contain," Schmaljohn adds. "It's all downhill from there [for Ebola]."

So yes, there's a risk you can catch Ebola from a drop of blood on a table. But that risk diminishes over time as the blood dries up. Still, he stresses, surface decontamination is necessary in practice.

Can Ebola be spread through a drop of water or carried through the water system?

"[The virus] will not remain for a long time in the water," Gonzalez says. "It's not a very rich medium to protect the virus."

It's important, he adds, to remember that viruses aren't as resistant outside the body as bacteria are. Rather, they depend heavily on the cells of their host — animal or human — for survival.

In water, the Ebola virus would be deactivated in a matter of minutes, Schmaljohn says. That's because each Ebola virus is encased in an envelope taken from the outer surface, or membrane, of a host cell.

So what about cells in water that are infected with Ebola? Could you get the virus from infected cells in contaminated water?

Infected cells don't live long inside a liquid that doesn't have the same salt concentration as in our bodily fluids.

Drinking water has a lower salt concentration than that found inside human cells. As water rushes inside the cell to balance the salt concentration, pressure builds ups. Eventually the cell bursts, killing the virus in the process.

How long does an infected corpse remain contagious?

A long time — although it's still unknown exactly how long.

Remember, virus particles can last for days and even weeks in a drop of blood. So inside the entire body of the deceased patient, the virus can probably remain active for several months, Gonzalez says.

"That's why it's very important to [perform] the burial as soon as possible," he adds. And to be extremely careful while doing it.
 
greybeard":yh9ckkw5 said:
What Ebola lacks to really get a foothold in this country is a natural reservoir host. An animal that carries the virus but isn't killed by it. In Africa, that is thought to be a fruit bat. Compared to Africa, we don't have many bats, so the virus would probably need to find another reservoir host.
We all better hope that doesn't end up being dogs cats----------or Bovines.

We do have a lot of "dingbats" here. Very scary stuff! This sounds a lot like the TV show. The Last Ship.
 
I'm traveling to east Africa for 2 weeks on November 4th. I'll be about 3,000 miles east of the outbreak over there, roughly the distance from California to New York. The CDC has no travel bans to the countries I am visiting, so I'm still planning to go. Kinda makes you wonder, though...
 
Chuckie":1nmjawwx said:
This is what I found on Ebola, and catching it......
http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/09/12/46680/how-do-you-catch-ebola-by-air-sweat-or-water/

But if you compare how contagious the Ebola virus is to, say SARS or the measles, Ebola just doesn't stack up. In fact, the virus is harder to catch than the common cold.
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You left out the picture from that same webpage.

Why, if it is SO hard to catch, are those people wearing those funny looking clothes?
NOT a rhetorical question.
 
Jogeephus":2hpysgn5 said:
First case of Ebola found in the USA. Wonder how that happened?

Dallas is a ways from here. But I found out someone from my little town was on the plane with this person.
 
oh chit..bhb could be bad man...

comes to fl im not going to work and the kids outta school. we can make it for a long time w/o going into town..all others will be met at the gate..a distance from the gate
 
greybeard....Looking at that photograph, I don't think they really know how contagious it really is.
They may be downplaying it a bit for the public.
I was listening to Fox news early this morning, and the doctor came on. One of they guys asked him how long could the Ebola virus live on a metal surface. The doctor said that it could live for several hours. That is not what I am reading... Laying on metal for several hours means that it will dry. Say someone has a bit of a nasal drip in the beginning or they rub their eyes while going up and down stairs hanging on to the railing. Or riding an escalator and putting their hand on the rail there. What about the posts on a bus or a train? Door handles going into stores or shopping baskets????
All you would have to do is touch the corner of your mouth, or run your finger under your nose. Rub the corner of you eye...... :shock:

Since Obama is letting all these people in with diseases, I hope that he is footing the bill for the ones that catch it here.
 
DO any of you really trust what the guberment tells you????? they only want to try and keep the public in the dark. Who was this guy staying with? are they illegals ? what county in Africa issues the most visas and they never return to Africa. LIBERIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Apparently it's not as easy to catch as some of us might thing. It does appear that it is dam hard to get over though IF you catch it. That's the part I don't like.
 

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