jscunn":2fej7580 said:
OT,
At least you got something right, he is a -34$EN bull.. Congrats.
BTW he is a FS 7 (actually 6.8) bull, (strike one)
bred cows naturally at hoover and sydgen. (strike 2)
Produced loads of semen from the time he walked in the door at Origen as a yearling until he got injured. Now is producing again. (strike 3)
Sold for less than $40,000 (strike 4...)
And if all his yearlings look like the ones I have seen he will be selling plenty of semen for everyone else.. Best set of yearling heifers I have seen in a long while, tons of rib and depth of flank, wide topped with just the right amount of muscle..
So how come ABS lists him as a 7 frame- and his mature height at 61 inches (which on the frame score sheets I have is above 7 frame--actually 7.5 because 62 inchs is 8 frame)....Those folks wouldn't fib to us in their use of emotion and commotion promotion- would they :???:
http://abs-bs.absglobal.com/beef/angus. ... =237AN1941
Are you telling me they ran him in a commercial herd type situation with multiple bulls- and he proved himself :???:
What was his injury that made his semen bad?
$40,000- $50,000- whatever-(actually $39,000 for 1/2 interest--which makes him a $78,000 bull )-- was it even a real money sale or angus funny money exchange? To me he wouldn't be worth more than a couple thousand $ to turn out with some commercial cows as a terminal bull...
Any bull that you can't keep heifers from ( and there is no way I would/could even look at any bull with a 53 milk EPD- a huge minus energy $ number (even less than his + WN S) for raising heifers to keep in this country)... Just reading on another site about the wreck some folks are running into with some cattle they bought out of the droughted out areas- that now they've gotten up in the northern states and having to fend for themselves and are looking awful rough and being questioned if they can make the winter...Reminds me of how a few good years can get folks to breeding for extremes--- looking for a way to add a few lbs of weaning weight- which often comes back to bite them on the arse when you get several years of tough grazing conditions that will/do return...
Breeding for extremes will wreck a cowherd faster than anything else..
Like was said- to me he is good for nothing more than a terminal sire-- and in my opinion if thats the intent-- you are better off using one of the continental sires on some good maternal bred angus cows- and take advantage of the heterosis...
jscunn- maybe for your area and your management- he is the cats meow- but won't work here...Florida is a lot different from the "Little Siberia" Hi-line area of Montana...To give you an example- yesterday I moved cows from summer pasture (where they were grazing down thru about 4-6 inches of snow- and sucking up water thru the slush on a creek spring still partially open) to the riverbottom hay meadows - where they will graze until the snow won't allow them anymore...Today it blizzarded all day-- snow, drifting, 40 mph winds,15 degree temps...Tonight it has quit snowing and blowing- but the temp is plummeting fast- down to 2 Below now- on its way to a predicted 10 Below...
The type of heifers something like he'd make couldn't/wouldn't survive here unless you owned a grain elevator/feed plant.... But thats whats great about the angus breed is that there is a wide variety to fit all areas, management types, and owner preferences.....