Wal-Mart --vs-- The Morons

[3waycross]

I believe I can take exception to some of your points

Upfrombottom, better get ready to surrender your wallet!!!
Walmart is a name, the management (including CEO) donate time to habitat for humanity,(building houses)
of their own volition? or is it a corporate SUGGESTION
Often eat at restaurants, Not all the time at home
SO DOES THE REST OF AMERICA! tHEY WOULD DO THAT NOT MATTER WHERE THEY WORKED
Guess in your mind they change their own oil? :lol2:
See the last answer. At the rate we are going in ten years we will all have a job wiping each other's asses. At minimum wage
How many employees do those 30 -40 home owned stores employ?
Same as who works at Walmart , only difference is you had all those store OWNERS who might have made it to middle class with a little luck and some hard work.
How big of a town are you talking about that can support that many home owned stores and still turn a profit?
This one, a town of 5,000 in a county of 17,000
How can they be taking the profit out?
Do you think they aren't in it for a profit?
How much did they donate to the local schools etc etc when they built and opened that store?
Just enuf to make them look good, and get the NIMBY'S off their butt
How much do they donate on a yearly basis?? I know for a fact that corporate allows each store a given amount to donate to local charities each yr with out question.
See the last answer
Where do those employees that they have spend their money??? do they pay local taxes on the money they spend? How many would be unemployed if not for Walmart?

Only the basic necessitites of life. At those wages they have nothing left for luxuries :frowns:

 

[3waycross]

You are a sharp fella Van, I just have one question for you about Wal Mart. If you had to only own one pocket knife for the rest of your life would you want it to be an American made Buck knife or a Chinese made Buck knife from Walmart?

With that I rest my case.

Come on Vic...I wouldn't carry a Buck made anywhere. :cowboy:

Me neither. I hate the darned things. But it is a case in point. Walmart goes to a company like Buck and says we want you to produce knife XYZ for us for $3.00 so we can sell it for $9.00 which is $4.00 less than everyone else in America sells it for.
Buck says we can't do that and keep the jobs in America........Walmart just sits there and stares at them until they "get it"......Two weeks later some guy named Sum Ting Wong is making buck knives, for all of us unemployed Americans to buy for $9.00. :frowns:

 

[CottageFarm]

Sure Wallyitis marketing can have lower prices- because they have very few full time jobs with benefits for employees.
Its the loss of full time jobs that is killing the economy.
There has to be a middle class with some extra money to keep the economy going.
The middle class keeps the poor from starving
And if you loose the middle class and the ability to become middle class with hard work- the social fabric with collapse too.

Not only are they directly eliminating middle class jobs in the retail sector- they are also eliminating it in the manufacturing sector- THEY are setting the prices and they have the leverage to force manufacturers to cut overhead, which is good up to a point. When they have to strip out the full time jobs and benefits to stay in business that is NOT good.

The only middle class jobs in the retail sector are managerial & up. Walmart, by the nature of the size of the company, is not eliminating those jobs but are in fact providing far more of them than small, local businesses can/do. The vast majority of jobs in the retail sector are unskilled, entry level positions that are not worth more than minimum wage, or full time benefits. If one wants a full time job that pays well and provides expensive, full time benefits, perhaps one should provide an equitable skill in return. Or better yet, go start their own business and provide for their own welfare. It doesn't matter if you spend 20 years in an entry level position, it still isn't worth $20/hr. A company has no responsibility to pay more for a job than it's worth, ie, what that job returns to the company in revenue. Walmart doesn't pay any less than anyone else in the retail sector, they are right in the middle. They've simply become the scapegoat for everyone who feels that they're owed something from everyone else simply by the nature of their existance.
It is the consumer that keeps companies afloat or puts them out of business. It is the American consumer who demands cheap food and goods, yet will not accept a lower wage in return for those cheap goods and services. That is why the the United States no longer has a manufacturing base. We can't have both ways....

 

[hopalong]

I believe I can take exception to some of your points

Upfrombottom, better get ready to surrender your wallet!!!
Walmart is a name, the management (including CEO) donate time to habitat for humanity,(building houses)
of their own volition? or is it a corporate SUGGESTION Sam Walton himself told them to be active in helping others BEFORE his death
Often eat at restaurants, Not all the time at home
SO DOES THE REST OF AMERICA! tHEY WOULD DO THAT NOT MATTER WHERE THEY WORKED
But you said they do not eat at restaurants
Guess in your mind they change their own oil? :lol2:
See the last answer. At the rate we are going in ten years we will all have a job wiping each other's asses. At minimum wage
How many employees do those 30 -40 home owned stores employ?
Same as who works at Walmart , only difference is you had all those store OWNERS who might have made it to middle class with a little luck and some hard work.
How big of a town are you talking about that can support that many home owned stores and still turn a profit?
This one, a town of 5,000 in a county of 17,000 And that would support 30-40 privately owned stores?
And those stores that they wiped out sold what?
How can they be taking the profit out?
Do you think they aren't in it for a profit? Of course they are but definatly not the usual 43% mark up
How much did they donate to the local schools etc etc when they built and opened that store?
Just enuf to make them look good, and get the NIMBY'S off their butt Hummm i know that the local store donated in excess of $75000.00 dollars the day they opened
How much do they donate on a yearly basis?? I know for a fact that corporate allows each store a given amount to donate to local charities each yr with out question.
See the last answer What amount is that?????? give us a figure!!
Where do those employees that they have spend their money??? do they pay local taxes on the money they spend? How many would be unemployed if not for Walmart?

Only the basic necessitites of life. At those wages they have nothing left for luxuries :frowns:

And the wages are? do you know or are you just chomping??
How about SEARS? Kmart? Target? Walgreens, Home Depot? what are their wages? Are they all full time employees?

Susan Chambers, executive vice president of the company's People Division, said in a statement that Wal-Mart remained competitive with benefits including health care, 401K plans, profit sharing and annual incentives.
Chambers said that was why "people stand in line to apply for Wal-Mart jobs."

HUMMMM how many mom pop stores offer health care? profit sharing? 401K's

 

[Douglas]

I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.

 

[3waycross]

Just a quick question for you hopalong. How old are you and how long have you or your family worked at Walmart? And are you working in one of those lucrative entry level positons?

 

[3waycross]

I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.

doug the problem with that theory is that we have shipped the majority of our manufacturing jobs to a country that does just exactly that AND now we owe them so much money that they have us by the short hairs..........all because we can't find a way to pay each other a decent living.

 

[hopalong]

Just a quick question for you hopalong. How old are you and how long have you or your family worked at Walmart? And are you working in one of those lucrative entry level positons?

I am 70 yrs old and have never worked at Walmart,
I am retired. I do own Walmart stock
I also own Budweiser stock but quit drinking 14 yrs ago
Own Bank of america stock but do not bank there either
The only LUCRATIVE job I have is am still able to do flying of my own planes

Now I have a question for you! If Sam Walton could make a go of it why can't GM and the others that took money to bail them out?

 

[highgrit]

The Unions have ruinned this country, thats the reason most of our goods are made over seas. Walmart's beef is the worst store bought meat that I have ever ate. I think they treat it with something so it can't make you sick? At least if you shop at Walmart you will get a good price and a great return policy with no B.S. Who's the morons? those that shop there or those that don't? I know our country is led by a bunch of morons.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

The Unions have ruinned this country, thats the reason most of our goods are made over seas. Walmart's beef is the worst store bought meat that I have ever ate. I think they treat it with something so it can't make you sick? At least if you shop at Walmart you will get a good price and a great return policy with no B.S. Who's the morons? those that shop there or those that don't? I know our country is led by a bunch of morons.

i know they completely destroyed the south

 

[CottageFarm]

I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.

doug the problem with that theory is that we have shipped the majority of our manufacturing jobs to a country that does just exactly that AND now we owe them so much money that they have us by the short hairs..........all because we can't find a way to pay each other a decent living.

While it's definitely true that they own our butts, and that the only reason they can afford to own our butts is because of the $ American consumers send to their country for goods, the reason they own our butts is our Government sold it to them so they spend money (buy votes), that we don't have, on every half-a$$ed, FEEL GOOD program they could think of. Not a single one of which has improved jack for anyone in this country. They're confiscated trillions of dollars from the citizenry for these programs, with no positive results for ANY of them.
Why do businesses, large and small alike, always get blamed for making rational business decisions when it is the politicians who are always getting in the way and screwing things up for everyone? :heart:

 

[TexasBred]

I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.

He$$ I thought gov't was already doing that. Isn't gov't trying to make Boeing move their plant from Virginia back up somwhere they don't want to be?? Have been listening to a little of this stuff coming out of these meetings about debt, budget etc and have about decided that all the cause of all this is that "private business" is sitting on 3 trillion dollars waiting to see what is going to happen and gov't cannot yet figure out a way to get their grubby hands on it. If they ever figure it out it's "Katy Bar The Door".

 

[1982vett]

ALACOWMAN, looks like you slid that one under the door.... :lol:

 

[1982vett]

I would be willing to bet my whole wallet that the Walmart backers on this board would drastically change there mind if Walmart would decide they were going to start raising their own beef. They have put out and destroyed more hometown business than they will ever create. They have never built a house, ate out at a restaurant, had their vehicle worked on, etc, etc, etc, in my home town but they have definitely taken the profits out of it. As far as building stores goes, they put up one, compared to thirty or forty home-owned stores, How is that an advantage?

:lol: Last thing anyone on this board has to worry about....WalMart does want to make a profit you know...

It's the packers you need to worry about and we already know WalMart doesn't cut it's own meat anymore. Why would it want to try to squeeze a profit out of raising it....Besides it's a merchandiser, not a manufacturer.

 

[ga.prime]

Walmart's beef is the worst store bought meat that I have ever ate.

You're onto something there. It's beyond comprehension that anyone would buy beef more than once from walmart. I bought a couple of ribeyes there a few years ago because they looked good. They didn't taste like any kind of meat I've ever eaten before. Very bad, weird, and horrible. Fed them to the dogs. Mystery meat at the school cafeteria is better.

 

[VanC]

Boy, that good old American free enterprise system can sure be a pesky little bugger sometimes. How DARE Walmart take advantage of it and grow from one small five and dime store in one small town to become the largest company in the country!

OK, now that we've established that Walmart is an evil empire and is pretty much responsible for everything we don't like in the world, what can we do about it? I have some ideas.

One, we could simply choose not to shop there. But, alas, millions of people do just the opposite and exercise their right to shop where they see fit. There's that pesky freedom thing again. Personally, I don't think freedom of choice should be extended to people who do something that I don't agree with. Don't you agree? I guess until we become more selective with the freedom thing that one won't work.

We could try legal action and stop them from putting up more stores. Now that I think about it, I think that's been tried already and the courts sided with Walmart. Probably something to do with that dad blamed freedom thing again. We'll have to try something else.

How about we put up informational pickets and inform the public about Walmart's intentions to take over the world and force everyone to shop there? Maybe the millions that lost their jobs because of them would help us out on that one. But wait! It seems that's already been tried, too. Given the fact that Walmart's size has doubled over the past ten years, they've added 50 million square feet over the past two years, and built over 100 new supercenters last year alone, I don't think that one's working too well either.

I've got it!! We could ask the government to get involved. They could take over Walmart's operations and make all the decisions. I guarantee they would be bankrupt in a couple of years and we'd all be saved. Heck, they like doing that sort of thing anyway and would probably jump at the chance. Yup, that's your answer. Less freedom and more socialism. That'll show 'em!! :lol2:

 

[hopalong]

Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you?

 

[3waycross]

Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you?

3way was a greeter but got fired after 2 hrs for arguing with everybody.

Ya gotta be 70 to be a greeter.....The national trainer for the greeters is my friend Hopalong....

 

[3waycross]

Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you?

They wouldn't even give me an application. Said my mullet was not developed enuf to work there.

 

[hopalong]

Nah more than likely the blank look on your face when they said hello and you were stumped for an answer!