Wal-Mart --vs-- The Morons

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hopalong":3elqfxoi said:
Nah more than likely the blank look on your face when they said hello and you were stumped for an answer! :)

yes i am suuure tht wuz it, u set tha barr so hi i cud not qulify.........give it a break old man. this was a pretty lively discussion before u decided to make it personal. :frowns:

Gotta go to work now...so you go ahead and feel free to take cheap shots all day. :hide: :help:
 
3waycross":1s4aperd said:
Douglas":1s4aperd said:
I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.


doug the problem with that theory is that we have shipped the majority of our manufacturing jobs to a country that does just exactly that AND now we owe them so much money that they have us by the short hairs..........all because we can't find a way to pay each other a decent living.

I actually don't think that is true. We manufacture more in this country than ever before. We just do it with machines and less people. We import the things than require unskilled labor like small assemblies and garments. What is killing our economy today is the lack of new construction. Housing market is dead and ain't coming back for a while. The government and their agencies poured money and regulations into the housing markets with predictable results. It is real easy to try blaming our problems on Wall Street, foreigners, big business etc. If we would just take a good look at unnecessary regulations on business, subsidies to not work or not farm, tax structures that encourage companies to move off shore, and incentives for the wrong things, I believe we could pull out of this mess. Just as an example, trillions in cash belonging to US based companies are held in overseas banks because they would trigger corporate tax at 30-40% if moved and used in the US. That is a source of capital that could reduce our dependence on foreign debt. It could also be used to modernize our facilities to be more competitive. We don't build gas refineries anymore because it easier to do it in the Caribbean and bring the gas in. We don't build nuclear plants for reason you well know that could lower our utility bills and reduce the cost of manufacturing. In short the enemy is us. Times were good for about 30 years and we built up a welfare state and bloated regulatory and tax structure that is killing our competitiveness now. See the ethanol boondoggle as another example. We are financing university educations for skills businesses don't need, yet we don't have enough registered nurses to care for the elderly. We produces a lot of lawyers yet can't find a decent plumber.
 
3waycross":2ajf4oek said:
hopalong":2ajf4oek said:
Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you? :eek:

They wouldn't even give me an application. Said my mullet was not developed enuf to work there.

Amazing someone so unqualified and "no mullet and all your teeth" could keep a job with the same company for 40 years. ;-)
 
Douglas":9ksrxb83 said:
3waycross":9ksrxb83 said:
Douglas":9ksrxb83 said:
I guess we need the government to tell companies how they should be run, how big they can get, and how to price their product. As they say capitalism is the worst form of an economy except for all the rest.


doug the problem with that theory is that we have shipped the majority of our manufacturing jobs to a country that does just exactly that AND now we owe them so much money that they have us by the short hairs..........all because we can't find a way to pay each other a decent living.

I actually don't think that is true. We manufacture more in this country than ever before. We just do it with machines and less people. We import the things than require unskilled labor like small assemblies and garments. What is killing our economy today is the lack of new construction. Housing market is dead and ain't coming back for a while. The government and their agencies poured money and regulations into the housing markets with predictable results. It is real easy to try blaming our problems on Wall Street, foreigners, big business etc. If we would just take a good look at unnecessary regulations on business, subsidies to not work or not farm, tax structures that encourage companies to move off shore, and incentives for the wrong things, I believe we could pull out of this mess. Just as an example, trillions in cash belonging to US based companies are held in overseas banks because they would trigger corporate tax at 30-40% if moved and used in the US. That is a source of capital that could reduce our dependence on foreign debt. It could also be used to modernize our facilities to be more competitive. We don't build gas refineries anymore because it easier to do it in the Caribbean and bring the gas in. We don't build nuclear plants for reason you well know that could lower our utility bills and reduce the cost of manufacturing. In short the enemy is us. Times were good for about 30 years and we built up a welfare state and bloated regulatory and tax structure that is killing our competitiveness now. See the ethanol boondoggle as another example. We are financing university educations for skills businesses don't need, yet we don't have enough registered nurses to care for the elderly. We produces a lot of lawyers yet can't find a decent plumber.

Very eloquently stated Douglas... :clap: :tiphat:
 
TexasBred":278yf4hb said:
3waycross":278yf4hb said:
hopalong":278yf4hb said:
Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you? :eek:

They wouldn't even give me an application. Said my mullet was not developed enuf to work there.

Amazing someone so unqualified and "no mullet and all your teeth" could keep a job with the same company for 40 years. ;-)


:nod: :clap:
 
3waycross":2a6l6ubc said:
hopalong":2a6l6ubc said:
Nah more than likely the blank look on your face when they said hello and you were stumped for an answer! :)

yes i am suuure tht wuz it, u set tha barr so hi i cud not qulify.........give it a break old man. this was a pretty lively discussion before u decided to make it personal. :frowns:

Gotta go to work now...so you go ahead and feel free to take cheap shots all day. :hide: :help:


If I am not mistaken it was you who fired the first shot kiddo!! I merely pointed out how some of you claims were false, and you took it personal!!!! :(
 
Around here, like many rural areas, our shopping choices are limited. Walmart has been, for years, about the only affordable place to buy many items. In our county seat, we had K-Mart but they couldn't compete with the Walmart two blocks down the street. We had four grocery stores until Walmart decided to build a super store, vacating the old one. Once news hit that Walmart was leaving one end of the strip, the grocery at the other end closed. We don't need a Super Walmart. We have plenty of grocery stores. This is where Walmart is trying to monopolize the market. They won't be happy until they are the ONLY place to shop! Because of Walmart, that town has three major retail spaces empty (the old store, the grocery and the closed K-Mart) plus the smaller joints like the restaurants and specialty shops that tied themselves to the plaza because Walmart drew a crowd are going to suffer. I have no issue with a fella making a living, as long as his neighbors don't suffer consequences with how he does it. Big picture, Walmart has done some good things, but right here, right now, they are doing more harm than good. I don't have many choices in shopping, but I will avoid Walmart if I can, and I'll never go to the new one.
 
VanC":1pz3fu5u said:
Boy, that good old American free enterprise system can sure be a pesky little bugger sometimes. How DARE Walmart take advantage of it and grow from one small five and dime store in one small town to become the largest company in the country!

OK, now that we've established that Walmart is an evil empire and is pretty much responsible for everything we don't like in the world, what can we do about it? I have some ideas.

One, we could simply choose not to shop there. But, alas, millions of people do just the opposite and exercise their right to shop where they see fit. There's that pesky freedom thing again. Personally, I don't think freedom of choice should be extended to people who do something that I don't agree with. Don't you agree? I guess until we become more selective with the freedom thing that one won't work.

We could try legal action and stop them from putting up more stores. Now that I think about it, I think that's been tried already and the courts sided with Walmart. Probably something to do with that dad blamed freedom thing again. We'll have to try something else.

How about we put up informational pickets and inform the public about Walmart's intentions to take over the world and force everyone to shop there? Maybe the millions that lost their jobs because of them would help us out on that one. But wait! It seems that's already been tried, too. Given the fact that Walmart's size has doubled over the past ten years, they've added 50 million square feet over the past two years, and built over 100 new supercenters last year alone, I don't think that one's working too well either.

I've got it!! We could ask the government to get involved. They could take over Walmart's operations and make all the decisions. I guarantee they would be bankrupt in a couple of years and we'd all be saved. Heck, they like doing that sort of thing anyway and would probably jump at the chance. Yup, that's your answer. Less freedom and more socialism. That'll show 'em!! :lol2:


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I reckon I should add that I understand free markets, and that Walmart has a right to build whatever, wherever, but my issue isn't that they are doing that, my issue is that we already had a Walmart that had run out the big competition (K-Mart) and in reality, all the super store is going to add is more room and a grocery side, which, although I can't speak for the floor space issue, I can say that with Kroger, Sav-A-Lot & Marsh Hometown Market, in a town of about 13,000 people, more grocery shopping isn't what we need. They aren't filling a need, they're filling a greed.
 
Sweat shops were a great business model too-- I'm glad theres a law against them or thats all anyone would have had.
Wallyitis is nothing but a different type of sweat shop.

I don't like laws in general, they tend to float way from their original good intent. But I see nothing wrong with being public about issues, getting people to recognize long term issues and encouraging people to vote with their wallet.
Problem is people are stupid now adays and are interested in what they can get now- and cheaper Wallyitis is giving them what they want.

I vote with my wallet- I don't shop at Walmart unless I am forced to (and that ain't often)
and my new one is I won't shop at Tractor Supply. funny all their management is now from Walmart with no ag background and the only employees with full time jobs are management. They are getting way too dangerous for the farmer. We will regret when they push out service orientated competition.
 
Howdy I've never seen TSC be a threat to anyone. As you said, uninformed employees, very over priced in the feedline and nobody seems to give a shyt when you're in the store. Wal Mart on the other hand; haven't been in one in ages but will not condemn them for being what everyone else "wants to be" and "could be" with the right approach and attitude. Down here it's easy to drive thru hundreds of small towns that don't have a Wal Mart within 70 miles but most of the town is empty. Call it poor management, overpriced merchandise or whatever but they're still closed. Check the label on anything you buy...regardless of the name of the store you'e in if it was made overseas you can be sure it was made in a sweatshop. But that fifty cents they make everyday probably buys them as much as $100 over here so they're happy.

I'll never condemn a company for being successful....they have stockholders to answer to. I love it when oil companies make profits (that's after taxes). They're not non profit companies. I won't get started on that but will mention that everything they're talking about taking away from "big oil" is nothing more than allowable deductions (expenses) just like the rest of us take every year. It's not loopholes or subsidies.
 
BP has ruined the gulf of mexico around Grand Isle La. Still patches of oil floating in the gulf. Oil rules the world, and oil companies suck but watcha going to do. Oh, and by the way the beef is horrible tasting from Wal-Mart. :2cents:
 
IGotMyWings":1ulib2xy said:
Around here, like many rural areas, our shopping choices are limited. Walmart has been, for years, about the only affordable place to buy many items. In our county seat, we had K-Mart but they couldn't compete with the Walmart two blocks down the street. We had four grocery stores until Walmart decided to build a super store, vacating the old one. Once news hit that Walmart was leaving one end of the strip, the grocery at the other end closed. We don't need a Super Walmart. We have plenty of grocery stores. This is where Walmart is trying to monopolize the market. They won't be happy until they are the ONLY place to shop! Because of Walmart, that town has three major retail spaces empty (the old store, the grocery and the closed K-Mart) plus the smaller joints like the restaurants and specialty shops that tied themselves to the plaza because Walmart drew a crowd are going to suffer. I have no issue with a fella making a living, as long as his neighbors don't suffer consequences with how he does it. Big picture, Walmart has done some good things, but right here, right now, they are doing more harm than good. I don't have many choices in shopping, but I will avoid Walmart if I can, and I'll never go to the new one.

Thank you for making my point again for me. I am not against free enterprise in the least. I have worked for a fortune 100 company for 23 years, and had all the success you could want from the free enterprise system. But what "Got my wings" says so well is what bothers me about them the most. Wal Mart farts and a whole local economy goes under.

Like he said nobody NEEDS a super store.

For what it's worth I would ask that everyone consider what those prices will look like when they finally are the last man standing. If any of ya'll had the last bottle of water left in a dry towm would you sell it for $.89. Probably not and neither will they.
 
hopalong":f3s2onuo said:
Nah more than likely the blank look on your face when they said hello and you were stumped for an answer! :)

You don't like anyone taking an opposing view do you. I thought 3way made some good points and your response was to call him names. Or at least infer them.

I believe that when he asked if you were an employee of the company he was trying to qualify why you would believe their propaganda so readily. I also have worked for a major corporation and do not think for a minute that they donate one penny to a local economy because they are so altrustic. They give money to schools and such to curry favor and grease the wheels. Their corporate executives donate time to habitat in a public fashion. Do you think they would do it if no one ever knew about it, hardly. It is all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to look as good as possible so that folks will think Wal Mart is just a peachy bunch of folks from Arkansas.

Not sure why he asked your age but if you are 70 then you should remember an America before Wal Mart where like he said you would have 30 or 40 small business owners who, by virtue of hard work and some luck could build a business and create some local jobs without putting all their eggs in one basket like is what happens with WalMart. What happens if a Wal Mart decides that a store in a rural community is not profitable enough for them, and shuts it down. It's not like one home owned business goes under, the whole local economy collapses.

You can stick up for them all you want but if you believe at the end of the day they they give a darn about you then you need to decide if you are smart enough to get past hello.
 
RN BSN":2darirfq said:
hopalong":2darirfq said:
Another question for threewaycross?

Did they fire you ore not bother to interview you? :eek:

3way was a greeter but got fired after 2 hrs for arguing with everybody.


You have a lot of room to talk. You show up a few times a year take a nasty shot at someone and leave.

and yes I know I do much the same thing so don't bother to say it!
 
Imo there isn't enough people learning trades. So many people go to college for jobs that don't require you to actually work . I have about 20 or more people ask me for a job every year that has a college degree . And I pour concrete .I usually give them a chance but they quit in 2 weeks . As entry level employees they expect to make 40k a year but they know nothing about the work we do .can you imagine how much everything would cost if we paid everyone what they think they are worth ? my mom for example works at a local lumber yard . She has been there for 12 years and makes about 13 an hour as a cashier . She was complaining about her wages the other day . I told her she was lucky to make that much in that position . You have to top out in pay sooner or later just because you work there for 20 years doesn't mean you get 20 raises . You have to learn a new skill and advance . That's y the unions have hurt the work force. They expect to stay at the same skill level and get raises every year . I realise there is inflation to keep up with and cost of living goes up but labor prices cause all of that .
 
Yes I do remember life with out Walmart.
I also recall SEARS & ROEBUCK, MONTGOMERY WARDS. STUDEBAKER, NASH, KAISER AND OTHERS.
Recall working for less than a buck an hour with no insurance, no benefits, no protection, no 401k plan no 1 1/2 for overtime just take the money and don't complain because there were 3 more guys out there wanting your job.
.10 gas Less if they got into a price war.
Before McDonald's put the little restaurant on the corner out of business because they had fries and a burger for .39 cents.
before Walgreen's basically sent Rexall down.
Before Krogers put the mom and pop grocery out of business with bigger and better selection and prices because of the ability to manage better.
Before Home Depot put the corner lumber yard hardware store out of business. by better management.
Before K mart put the five and dime outta business.

Where was the outrage when that was happening?
Yet when Sam took the the lead in GOOD sound business practices and built a major corp. out of a corner store, did people get excited.
That corp manages better than any other company because they do use good practices including making a profit for the people that invest in them.
Some one brought up the point that if they didn't make any money the would just move on! That is true!!! Same as any other business, You do not pour money down a hole in hopes of filling it up.
As far as a lot of Walmart's products coming from out of county suppliers, How many parts on that new car are actually made in the U.S.?
Hope much of Sears products are made in the U.S.
Target?????
Napa????
Heck most of Mcd's hamburger comes from out of the country.

I do agree Walmarts meat is terrible, in fact I buy very little from Walmart as far as food goes. But I am not about to spend $1.00 when i can walk across the street and get the same product for .39,
 
alisonb":1e9c7kke said:
hopalong":1e9c7kke said:
But I am not about to spend $1.00 when i can walk across the street and get the same product for .39,
And when the guy selling his product for $1.00 is out of business do you really think Walmart's price will remain at .39??

I see Walmart is very busy in SA....
http://www.economist.com/node/18775450

Maybe not but i will have .61 cents still in my pocket :D :D
 

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