What do rural people want?

[TexasBred]

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

unverified so I don not know the validity of this but it is a reasonable assumption with how pizz poor these stAtes are with Voter ID

I can believe it. Even here they were working the Spanish speaking neighborhoods signing people up to vote. I'm sure some were still dripping water.

 

[hurleyjd]

200 people in fed govt, 300 people in state govt max. Flat tax. Stay the (....) outa people lives. If don't produce something you don't get paid.no child credits, no more sows getting paid to have kids they can't afford. $ 1000 tax in all children a piece. Only people who can provide for children, will have them.enforce all laws. Or do away them. U don't work u don't eat. No more ebt cards. Freedom is not free. All citizen that turn 18 do mandatory two year service in either branch.also if u act like child your arse need to be whipped like one.

Yeah, go ahead and implement all of these ideas. See how this is going to work. How long until there's a violent revolution? This is as whackadoodle as turning our country socialist. Extreme forms of government never work well. History is a good tool for understanding that.

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

Here a study that suggests a 23% rate that would be required. Here in Texas the sales tax rate is 8% in some places because cities can add on to the rate. For you to spend and buy $100 worth of products You would have to have $131 to buy the products with the taxes rolled in. Below is one study made in 1999. So if the $50000 pickup you want then you would have to pay $65500 for it.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up ... 199909.pdf

 

[Bestoutwest]

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, so please don't read it that way. Are you prepared to offer free birth control to anyone that wants it? Asking people to not have children until they are fiscally ready enough or mature enough to handle it is like asking people to not use drugs. We all see how that is going, so I would never expect anyone to have the ability to hold off having a child until they're ready. I'd love to see it, but it's not something that will materialize. You're preaching to the choir, literally. TG, you will be happy to know that my wife have done exactly that. We only have the one child b/c we were not ready to accept the financial responsibility that comes with having a child until later in life and then it has become too late for us to have another.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Yeah, go ahead and implement all of these ideas. See how this is going to work. How long until there's a violent revolution? This is as whackadoodle as turning our country socialist. Extreme forms of government never work well. History is a good tool for understanding that.

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

Here a study that suggests a 23% rate that would be required. Here in Texas the sales tax rate is 8% in some places because cities can add on to the rate. For you to spend and buy $100 worth of products You would have to have $131 to buy the products with the taxes rolled in. Below is one study made in 1999. So if the $50000 pickup you want then you would have to pay $65500 for it.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up ... 199909.pdf

I don't want to do away with the federal income tax, just add a federal sales and have the money go straight to paying the federal debt off. Make it same for everyone with no exceptions. You know and I know that the rich like Clinton and Trump don't pay their fair share. Heck I don't pay my fair share with all the deductions, depreciation, and other legal ways to beat the system.
We're all in this mess together and everyone should help, no matter how much or how little they make.

 

[True Grit Farms]

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, so please don't read it that way. Are you prepared to offer free birth control to anyone that wants it? Asking people to not have children until they are fiscally ready enough or mature enough to handle it is like asking people to not use drugs. We all see how that is going, so I would never expect anyone to have the ability to hold off having a child until they're ready. I'd love to see it, but it's not something that will materialize. You're preaching to the choir, literally. TG, you will be happy to know that my wife have done exactly that. We only have the one child b/c we were not ready to accept the financial responsibility that comes with having a child until later in life and then it has become too late for us to have another.

Yes free birth control for anyone that wants it, and abortions also. That's the main reason why I don't consider myself a hard core conservative. I'll take population control anyway I can get. I love my kids dearly, but they sure are expensive. I wonder how much it cost the taxpayers to raise a child on welfare? And if that same child stays on government assistance through out their lifetime? I imagine it's a staggering amount of money.

 

[farmerjan]

Have to agree, free birth control at least. And free abortion if the birth control isn't working; but I would make a stipulation...First abortion free, next one comes with permanent sterilization. And some way to get men to be "snipped" so they aren't contributing to the population indiscriminately...I have said for years that anyone can have a first child and get into a bad situation. Once they are receiving assistance, a second mistake is the last one they get. After that, sew it up or cut it off...I am tired of paying for all the "sows getting paid" to have more kids. I have one wonderful son, got divorced and didn't have anymore because I knew I couldn't afford it and didn't believe that anyone else should be paying the bill. No one ever paid for my birth control except me...

 

[farmerjan]

One other thing, if an unmarried couple decides to have a child, they are not eligible for any assistance. Too many are not getting married so that the woman can apply for this and that....You make a decision to have a baby, you better get married and have it covered by you own insurance, not govt handouts. I know 2 couples that have done this, and it burns me up that they got all this stuff, LIVING TOGETHER BUT NOT MARRIED. And they did it specifically so that it would be paid for by the govt...That means me and my taxes.

 

[Margonme]

It is immoral to use abortion as a means of birth control. I don't say that because of some scripture. It is killing a living being. Simple biology.

 

[Margonme]

If I had my life over, I would have been an anthropologist. I enjoy evolution. Took two senior graduate level courses under Dr. Madison E. Pryor, Chairman of Biological Sciences at Morehead State University. On the topic of human evolution, anthropologist have excavated and studied the early cultures of man. Long before religion evolved, mankind used his own native intelligence and arrived at fundamental morals.

1. You don't kill another human except in defense of the clan, food, shelter or territory.
2. You don't breed your mother or siblings.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

To kill the unborn is killing a member of the clan. It is the most fundamental moral our species has evolved with.

 

[TexasBred]

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, so please don't read it that way. Are you prepared to offer free birth control to anyone that wants it? Asking people to not have children until they are fiscally ready enough or mature enough to handle it is like asking people to not use drugs. We all see how that is going, so I would never expect anyone to have the ability to hold off having a child until they're ready. I'd love to see it, but it's not something that will materialize. You're preaching to the choir, literally. TG, you will be happy to know that my wife have done exactly that. We only have the one child b/c we were not ready to accept the financial responsibility that comes with having a child until later in life and then it has become too late for us to have another.

Yes free birth control for anyone that wants it, and abortions also. That's the main reason why I don't consider myself a hard core conservative. I'll take population control anyway I can get. I love my kids dearly, but they sure are expensive. I wonder how much it cost the taxpayers to raise a child on welfare? And if that same child stays on government assistance through out their lifetime? I imagine it's a staggering amount of money.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all you have to do now is walk in the door at Planned Parenthood and get the free birth control pills and/or condoms......or you can wait until you get knocked up and run back down for a quickie abortion before your "main squeeze" shows up for a night of romance.

 

[Bestoutwest]

Correct me if I'm wrong but all you have to do now is walk in the door at Planned Parenthood and get the free birth control pills and/or condoms......or you can wait until you get knocked up and run back down for a quickie abortion before your "main squeeze" shows up for a night of romance.

I'm not sure about the condoms/birth control, but I know abortions are not that easy to line up.

One other thing, if an unmarried couple decides to have a child, they are not eligible for any assistance. Too many are not getting married so that the woman can apply for this and that....You make a decision to have a baby, you better get married and have it covered by you own insurance, not govt handouts. I know 2 couples that have done this, and it burns me up that they got all this stuff, LIVING TOGETHER BUT NOT MARRIED. And they did it specifically so that it would be paid for by the govt...That means me and my taxes.

If you do that, then you hamper the child, therefore, creating another creature of the system. It is not the child's fault that they were born into such a situation, but after the age of 18 if they want help, they should have to join the service or do some other specified community service for a certain amount of time.

 

[True Grit Farms]

If I had my life over, I would have been an anthropologist. I enjoy evolution. Took two senior graduate level courses under Dr. Madison E. Pryor, Chairman of Biological Sciences at Morehead State University. On the topic of human evolution, anthropologist have excavated and studied the early cultures of man. Long before religion evolved, mankind used his own native intelligence and arrived at fundamental morals.

1. You don't kill another human except in defense of the clan, food, shelter or territory.
2. You don't breed your mother or siblings.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

To kill the unborn is killing a member of the clan. It is the most fundamental moral our species has evolved with.

I'm not following your lead at all. Evolution from what? And how many humans did we start out with so they didn't inbreed with one another? Animals are known to kill their offspring regularly. And breeding back to one's mother or siblings is very common in the wild. I never made it past the 8th grade but I feel I'm smarter than that.

 

[True Grit Farms]

I think they're all good ideas, except the child tax or lack of child tax. I can't figure out what he was trying to say. If you want kids why should the rest of us be punished? To the best of my knowledge I don't owe nobody nothing and the government doesn't either. I like the flat tax on everything you buy, and also on what you make. But there can be no exceptions or deductions made for ANYONE.
The way I see it is there's over 50 million POS in this country, and I don't have that much ammo.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, so please don't read it that way. Are you prepared to offer free birth control to anyone that wants it? Asking people to not have children until they are fiscally ready enough or mature enough to handle it is like asking people to not use drugs. We all see how that is going, so I would never expect anyone to have the ability to hold off having a child until they're ready. I'd love to see it, but it's not something that will materialize. You're preaching to the choir, literally. TG, you will be happy to know that my wife have done exactly that. We only have the one child b/c we were not ready to accept the financial responsibility that comes with having a child until later in life and then it has become too late for us to have another.

I knew you were opening a can of worms with that question. But I had to answer, and hopefully everyone will stay civil and the discussion won't get to personal.

 

[TexasBred]

Correct me if I'm wrong but all you have to do now is walk in the door at Planned Parenthood and get the free birth control pills and/or condoms......or you can wait until you get knocked up and run back down for a quickie abortion before your "main squeeze" shows up for a night of romance.

I'm not sure about the condoms/birth control, but I know abortions are not that easy to line up.

Well according to their own statistics 94% that walk in the door do get their abortions. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow.

 

[Bestoutwest]

I knew you were opening a can of worms with that question. But I had to answer, and hopefully everyone will stay civil and the discussion won't get to personal.

Not intentionally. I was just trying to state that if you don't want to have to pay for someone to have a baby, then you'll have to pay for their birth control. It's like jail/prison. Not everyone will look out for the interests of others, so therefore we need to make certain things available to them to keep them from ruining it for the rest of us. There are a lot of myopic people in the world. It is what it is.

 

[Margonme]

If I had my life over, I would have been an anthropologist. I enjoy evolution. Took two senior graduate level courses under Dr. Madison E. Pryor, Chairman of Biological Sciences at Morehead State University. On the topic of human evolution, anthropologist have excavated and studied the early cultures of man. Long before religion evolved, mankind used his own native intelligence and arrived at fundamental morals.

1. You don't kill another human except in defense of the clan, food, shelter or territory.
2. You don't breed your mother or siblings.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

To kill the unborn is killing a member of the clan. It is the most fundamental moral our species has evolved with.

I'm not following your lead at all. 1. Evolution from what? 2. And how many humans did we start out with so they didn't inbreed with one another? 3. Animals are known to kill their offspring regularly. 4. And breeding back to one's mother or siblings is very common in the wild. 5.I never made it past the 8th grade but I feel I'm smarter than that.

1. Species do not evolve in a simple linear line. Homo sapiens evolved from primate ancestors. One day you have a monkey, the next day the monkey is a man. NO. Don't work that way. It is more like breeding domestic breeds of dogs from a common wolf ancestor.

2. The response to 1. Explains 2.

3. Animals do kill their own offspring. In fact, the San people of the Kalahari bash their babies brains out on rocks when there is not enough resources to serve the clan.

4. Incest in animals is common. Early Humans developed moral structure in the form of social taboos to curtail incest. That is my POINT. They also knew that murder was immoral.

5. Your education should not limit you. Only your innate intelligence can limit you.

 

[Margonme]

Grit, I responded point by point what you ask, but I don't think you ask the correct question.

My point is that early humans had the morals to identify what was WRONG. They knew incest was wrong because it is not good breeding. They knew killing was wrong because it diminished the tribe or clan.

Those are rudiments of MORALS.

It is immoral to use abortion as a means of birth control. Having said that, each person has to decide what their conscience can handle.

 

[Kell-inKY]

1. Species do not evolve in a simple linear line. Homo sapiens evolved from primate ancestors. One day you have a monkey, the next day the monkey is a man. NO. Don't work that way. It is more like breeding domestic breeds of dogs from a common wolf ancestor.

Breeding domestic dogs from a wolf ancestor is not evolution, it's natural selection, people do it all the time, it's a way to eliminate genetics, you aren't adding anything, just taking away what is already there (how did it get there???).

You don't get something from nothing, we can only take away, not add, all we do is lose information, you may get defects and some claim there may be beneficial defects but that's not evolution. Pretty hard to go from a rock to a walking talking human being, or even a single cell organism no matter how much time or how many steps removed. Really think about, I mean really THINK about it, a series of a trillion mistakes added up to cause a butterfly (miracle in itself) to produce eyes on it's wings? (literally, pick any living creature and think about it)

"Having said that, each person has to decide what their conscience can handle."

That's not the way it works, thankfully.

Now, you're pretty smart, can you guess what this "rural person" wants for you and others?

 

[M-5]

Well Ron You may have come from monkeys but I DID NOT. And you say you have no faith ! Me Believing in God and creation is a heck of a lot more probable than that your Theory.

 

[Margonme]

1. Species do not evolve in a simple linear line. Homo sapiens evolved from primate ancestors. One day you have a monkey, the next day the monkey is a man. NO. Don't work that way. It is more like breeding domestic breeds of dogs from a common wolf ancestor.

Breeding domestic dogs from a wolf ancestor is not evolution, it's natural selection, people do it all the time, it's a way to eliminate genetics, you aren't adding anything, just taking away what is already there (how did it get there???).

You don't get something from nothing, we can only take away, not add, all we do is lose information, you may get defects and some claim there may be beneficial defects but that's not evolution. Pretty hard to go from a rock to a walking talking human being, or even a single cell organism no matter how much time or how many steps removed. Really think about, I mean really THINK about it, a series of a trillion mistakes added up to cause a butterfly (miracle in itself) to produce eyes on it's wings? (literally, pick any living creature and think about it)

"Having said that, each person has to decide what their conscience can handle."

That's not the way it works, thankfully.

Now, you're pretty smart, can you guess what this "rural person" wants for you and others?

It is not possible to cover all the science behind evolution in the context of this forum. I used the selective breeding concept to attempt to demonstrate that evolution is not a linear function. In the example of the breeds of dogs that have been propagated from the wolf ancestor, one might see how natural selection functions in that microcosm. Let's leave the evolution to those who pursue knowledge using the best methods we have available.

Referencing the statement:
Having said that, each person has to decide what their conscience can handle.

I understand your meaning. In my world, it is your conscience that punishes the mind, not a diety.

Which probably disappoints you in what you want for me. Nevertheless, I am grateful for your thought as a caring person guided by a good heart and conscience.