Poor Uninsured --> Health Care

[grannysoo]

You can find out everything you need to know about helping the poor pretty easy. There was a book written on it some years ago.

http://books.google.com/books?id=yh...esult&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

 

[jw]

Poverty and stupidity should be painful.........

This is one of the best I have seen. :clap: :clap: :clap:
I think you have hit on something here. I suggest you copyright it at once.
Have you considered how many t-shirts you can sell. They would sell like hotcakes.
And royalty money from tattoo parlors. :nod:

I have thought about the slogan since it was first posted. I do not think it should be painful to be in poverty because in any society, even a socialist one like we are trying to achieve, there will be poor and rich. That being said, I do think the slogan would be more fitting if it were "Poverty because of stupidity should be painful". You may have free license to use that, or you may have free license to toss it in the waste basket.

 

[grannysoo]

I have thought about the slogan since it was first posted. I do not think it should be painful to be in poverty because in any society, even a socialist one like we are trying to achieve, there will be poor and rich. That being said, I do think the slogan would be more fitting if it were "Poverty because of stupidity should be painful". You may have free license to use that, or you may have free license to toss it in the waste basket.

In America, we have made "poverty" comfortable. So many of our people in "poverty" have a roof over their head, 3 meals a day (plus snacks), plenty of money for beer, cigs, lotto, a vehicle, and all paid for AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

Can you call these people stupid? Not at all. Seems that they're smarter than a lot of us that are busting hump to pay the bills and keep food on the table.

As to stupidity being painful, it should be too. I'm not talking mental retardation here, for that is completely different. I'm talking the ones that get their disability checks (cough, cough) on the third of the month, spend it all in the same weekend on items listed above, and then don't have any money for a roof over their head or to put food on their table. That kind of stupidity should be painful too.

I'm not against helping anyone that truly needs help, however I fully against giving anyone a dime that has the ability to be productive. You want a check? Then get out and do community service and clean up the roadsides and ditches. Drug testing should be mandatory. 1 strike and you're out.

If anyone can afford to smoke, then they're not in poverty. If anyone can afford to drink, they're not in poverty. Own a car? You're not in poverty either.

I know poverty when I see it, and we see very little of it in America. That that we do see should be helped. That that is not poverty should be made to be uncomfortable in order for them to do better.

One last and final statement on the demise of our society:

The government welfare check has replaced the father in the family structure.........

 

[jw]

Under that scenario, I completely agree!!

I was thinking more of the truly poor who are doing the best they can without assistance. Guess I should open my eyes more.

 

[Ryder]

Under that scenario, I completely agree!!

I was thinking more of the truly poor who are doing the best they can without assistance. Guess I should open my eyes more.

I don't think any body on CT wants to see anybody suffer that is willing and does the best they can. We are talking about people that do not try and do not take responsibility for their actons. I thought that was understood without having to say it. At least this was certainly my perspective.
I would guess this group on here is an extremely generous bunch when it comes to helping and sharing with people that have legitimate needs.

But I do wish I could call the shots as to where my money goes without it being confiscated and spent by the government bureaucrats. I really do not like the politicians taking my money and using it to buy votes, and that is exactly what is happening.

 

[HerefordSire]

You can find out everything you need to know about helping the poor pretty easy. There was a book written on it some years ago.

http://books.google.com/books?id=yh...esult&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Thanks for the link! I had no idea the link referred to an online book. I have heard of this one, but never have read it before.

What is the system called when all the produced product of a country goes into one pool and then is dispersed evenly throughout citizens?

 

[alacattleman]

DING DING DING ,,, communism.. thats where you be heading this all along aint it?

 

[HerefordSire]

In America, we have made "poverty" comfortable. So many of our people in "poverty" have a roof over their head, 3 meals a day (plus snacks), plenty of money for beer, cigs, lotto, a vehicle, and all paid for AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

What percentage of the total population are you referring to?

Can you call these people stupid? Not at all. Seems that they're smarter than a lot of us that are busting hump to pay the bills and keep food on the table.

I am sure they are street smart or else they would surely perish. That is what I keep thinking...getting up to go to work for 35 years, every day, monotonous, sometimes in 100 degree weather, sometimes in freezing weather. Going to school at night. Earning the feeling to be called a taxpayer. It was allot of pressure on me, especially when I was young, knowing I could go to jail for not paying child support. I had to learn not to buy beer and chase the ladies. Sometimes I had to walk to work. Sometimes I didn't east breakfast, lunch, or dinner.

As to stupidity being painful, it should be too. I'm not talking mental retardation here, for that is completely different. I'm talking the ones that get their disability checks (cough, cough) on the third of the month, spend it all in the same weekend on items listed above, and then don't have any money for a roof over their head or to put food on their table. That kind of stupidity should be painful too.

I think that type of irresponsibility is painful.

I'm not against helping anyone that truly needs help, however I fully against giving anyone a dime that has the ability to be productive. You want a check? Then get out and do community service and clean up the roadsides and ditches. Drug testing should be mandatory. 1 strike and you're out.

I agree. However, drug testing should only be mandatory if everyone has to do it, including high level executives and lawmakers.

If anyone can afford to smoke, then they're not in poverty. If anyone can afford to drink, they're not in poverty. Own a car? You're not in poverty either.

Very good point. Ever walk to school? Ever walk to work?

I know poverty when I see it, and we see very little of it in America. That that we do see should be helped. That that is not poverty should be made to be uncomfortable in order for them to do better.

I am not sure of a solution. Maybe some type of incentive to provide hope?

One last and final statement on the demise of our society:

The government welfare check has replaced the father in the family structure.........

Interesting thought.

 

[HerefordSire]

DING DING DING ,,, communism.. thats where you be heading this all along aint it?

Surely not. I think I am trying to distinguish where to draw the line if health care is going to be paid for poor people.

 

[Frankie]

It's about those poor folks.

So you pay for my food, shelter, clothing, health care, running water, electricity, and education because I am poor.

At what point would you stop helping me? Could it be when you can't afford it? In other words, you would help me with all the items I have listed as long as you could, correct?

Nope. my taxes pay for the things I mentioned for both the rich and the poor. And you totally ignore that fact. Do you get US Postal Service at your house? I pay for that, too.

You don't seem to have any problem with MY taxes being spent to benefit YOU.

And I do pay for medical care for people who don't have insurance....so do you. What will change if some people get state sponsored medical care? I believe it will help keep the cost of medical care down for all of us. At 120% increase in premiums over the past ten years, how many people will be able to afford private insurance in the next ten years? We're not talking just about poor people. There are many hard working, middle class people who have had their insurance jerked by the company because they've been deemed a high risk patient or they've lost their job and insurance.

The Public Option is just that, an Option. If you like your health insurance, keep it. If they kick you off because you DARE get sick, you'll have some place to turn to for insurance.

 

[Frankie]

Under that scenario, I completely agree!!

I was thinking more of the truly poor who are doing the best they can without assistance. Guess I should open my eyes more.

I don't think any body on CT wants to see anybody suffer that is willing and does the best they can. We are talking about people that do not try and do not take responsibility for their actons. I thought that was understood without having to say it. At least this was certainly my perspective.
I would guess this group on here is an extremely generous bunch when it comes to helping and sharing with people that have legitimate needs.

I call BS on this. We've got a bunch of people in this thread who had their opportunities, education, land, businesses handed to them on a platter. And now they are POed because they MIGHT have to help out someone less fortunate than themselves. You know, someone whose father died and they didn't get to go to college. or someone born with a disability (blind) who needs help getting to work (IF they can get a job). Or someone born into a family of abuse and left home young to get away from it. These are the low lifes, you know. And God forbid if they have a tattoo and a cell phone! These people don't deserve help as far as this bunch is concerned.
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I am so grateful that my folks taught me that I should help my fellow man, especially the less fortunate.

 

[alacattleman]

well i know i wasnt born with any thing handed too me, i could go into a sob story ... but thank GOD he has blessed me.. i live in a poor county,,, and you know who tries and who are flat out worthless,,, trouble is getting the goverment to, cause the worthless alway seem to screw up any programs the real needy should be allowed

 

[TexasBred]

I am so grateful that my folks taught me that I should help my fellow man, especially the less fortunate.

Yeah yeah...mine taught me that too....but they also taught me that there is a limit to what I can do and those that don't or won't help themselves get no pity for me.....give everybody healthcare...just don't ask me to pay for theirs...I've known a lot of people over the years with a lot of unusual circumstances in their lives and they've "overcome". A handicap is not a death sentence. Being on the outside looking in doesn't mean that you have to stay there the rest of your life. Utopia doesn't exist Frankie regardless of what you and baracko think.

 

[grannysoo]

I am so grateful that my folks taught me that I should help my fellow man, especially the less fortunate.

We're in total agreement on that. I was taught to help anyone that wanted to help themself.

 

[Ryder]

I am so grateful that my folks taught me that I should help my fellow man, especially the less fortunate.

Yeah yeah...mine taught me that too....but they also taught me that there is a limit to what I can do and those that don't or won't help themselves get no pity for me.....give everybody healthcare...just don't ask me to pay for theirs...I've known a lot of people over the years with a lot of unusual circumstances in their lives and they've "overcome". A handicap is not a death sentence. Being on the outside looking in doesn't mean that you have to stay there the rest of your life. Utopia doesn't exist Frankie regardless of what you and baracko think.

That's what I wanted to say.

I have seen results of studies which showed that conservatives are more generous givers than liberals. (I can't cite the source but people with time and computer savvy can probably find it).
Seems that conservatives are generous with their money, but liberals are generous with our money.

 

[HerefordSire]

Nope. my taxes pay for the things I mentioned for both the rich and the poor. And you totally ignore that fact. Do you get US Postal Service at your house? I pay for that, too.

You don't seem to have any problem with MY taxes being spent to benefit YOU.

And I do pay for medical care for people who don't have insurance....so do you. What will change if some people get state sponsored medical care? I believe it will help keep the cost of medical care down for all of us. At 120% increase in premiums over the past ten years, how many people will be able to afford private insurance in the next ten years? We're not talking just about poor people. There are many hard working, middle class people who have had their insurance jerked by the company because they've been deemed a high risk patient or they've lost their job and insurance.

The Public Option is just that, an Option. If you like your health insurance, keep it. If they kick you off because you DARE get sick, you'll have some place to turn to for insurance.

I think we can agree to disagree. I see that was the second time you mentioned 120% which could very well be the average increase in premiums. In one year, my firm increased premiums 100%. I know this stuff inside and out and I can go into great detail. However, it would be better if I do not encourage this thread to be locked. In this line of thinking, I have been avoiding going into detail because I cannot control the locking. In this thread, I think it is more important to understand where the line needs to be drawn. Then this way, I can consider transferring all my assets out of the country and possibly move if what I think is going to happen, happens.

 

[Jogeephus]

Isn't the postal service mandated in the constitution? Maybe we should get a few ammendments for cell phones and tattoos and other neccessities if these are in fact neccessities. Afterall, without a cell phone it would be much harder for an able-bodied person to get someone to lie for them so they can continue to abuse a system that is meant to help the needy - not the lazy.

Then this way, I can consider transferring all my assets out of the country and possibly move if what I think is going to happen, happens.

Where would you go? Are we not the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have some form of socialized medicine? Are our medical costs not the highest in the world yet we are only ranked 30th in quality by the world health org? If this is all true, I have lots of questions concerning our current system and would be willing to listen and learn what all these other countries are doing to make it possible to care for the sick without having to sell the farm.

 

[HerefordSire]

Isn't the postal service mandated in the constitution? Maybe we should get a few ammendments for cell phones and tattoos and other neccessities if these are in fact neccessities. Afterall, without a cell phone it would be much harder for an able-bodied person to get someone to lie for them so they can continue to abuse a system that is meant to help the needy - not the lazy.

Then this way, I can consider transferring all my assets out of the country and possibly move if what I think is going to happen, happens.

Where would you go? Are we not the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have some form of socialized medicine? Are our medical costs not the highest in the world yet we are only ranked 30th in quality by the world health org? If this is all true, I have lots of questions concerning our current system and would be willing to listen and learn what all these other countries are doing to make it possible to care for the sick without having to sell the farm.

Very good question. You sure do have a sharp mind. You are making me think differently. Originally, I was thinking South America. Maybe find a Brazilian Beauty near Rio.