rockridgecattle
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Angie, don't get sucked in. Options is just looking to give someone a migrane!
I'm not sure if I should laugh or feel sorry for you. You said it not me.angie":2236yse6 said:Gimmie a break ~ you are playing games and now you want to look like a victim?options":2236yse6 said:The next time you feel superior and want to cut someone down remember, I don't know if I should laugh or feel sorry for you.
I don't care if I inspire your sympathy or your humor, and I am guessing you feel as much.
What do they eat the other 100 days?hillsdown":2lmgs0k5 said:I refer to grass fed as only being in pasture grazing 24/7 265 days a year,,not ever being given hay or silage . I saw a few pics on another site where they claimed they were grass farmers yet were feeding silage with oats, barley and corn, or they were |swath grazing" and all they did was roll out a bale of hay. I think semantics are the big difference if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
Its not so much about your cows and calves, it is about whatever you are raising to market for beef, and almost exclusively these animals are grain finished around here.hillsdown":1ur2h7ak said:if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
Exactly my point hillsdown. Makes it impossible to run a grass fed operation in a area that will have it's grass under 30" of snow. Of course Angie is way smarter than the rest of us even though she has not been able to tell us how they are able to grow with no grass. By the way in USA we have 365 days in a year, but hell your money is different might as well have a goofy calendar as well. JUST KIDDING HD.hillsdown":16y6sirk said:I refer to grass fed as only being in pasture grazing 24/7 265 days a year,,not ever being given hay or silage . I saw a few pics on another site where they claimed they were grass farmers yet were feeding silage with oats, barley and corn, or they were |swath grazing" and all they did was roll out a bale of hay. I think semantics are the big difference if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
angie":15mbp5m4 said:Its not so much about your cows and calves, it is about whatever you are raising to market for beef, and almost exclusively these animals are grain finished around here.hillsdown":15mbp5m4 said:if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
novatech":20hfb7hb said:What do they eat the other 100 days?hillsdown":20hfb7hb said:I refer to grass fed as only being in pasture grazing 24/7 265 days a year,,not ever being given hay or silage . I saw a few pics on another site where they claimed they were grass farmers yet were feeding silage with oats, barley and corn, or they were |swath grazing" and all they did was roll out a bale of hay. I think semantics are the big difference if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
Sorry I couldn't resist. ;-)
options":oj4jdrqy said:Exactly my point hillsdown. Makes it impossible to run a grass fed operation in a area that will have it's grass under 30" of snow. Of course Angie is way smarter than the rest of us even though she has not been able to tell us how they are able to grow with no grass. By the way in USA we have 365 days in a year, but be nice your money is different might as well have a goofy calendar as well. JUST KIDDING HD.hillsdown":oj4jdrqy said:I refer to grass fed as only being in pasture grazing 24/7 265 days a year,,not ever being given hay or silage . I saw a few pics on another site where they claimed they were grass farmers yet were feeding silage with oats, barley and corn, or they were |swath grazing" and all they did was roll out a bale of hay. I think semantics are the big difference if feeding just pasture and hay and any forage is what a grass farmer is, no matter how they do it, then I am pretty sure that means that 95% of the North American cow calf producers do just that.
Sure have, Angie told me what it is made from, can you tell me how it is made and what a person does with it?Jovid":1zy2tprm said:Ever hear of hay?
I promised myself I was not going to argue this further, but against my better judgment, I'll take a stab.options":3q2lugwy said:Sure have, Angie told me what it is made from, can you tell me how it is made and what a person does with it?Jovid":3q2lugwy said:Ever hear of hay?
So the grass is dry and laying under 30" of snow how do the cattle find it? How does it not rot laying on the ground? Why is it called hay if it is just dried grass? You must be leaving some very important facts about hay production out.angie":39ptxiwc said:I promised myself I was not going to argue this further, but against my better judgment, I'll take a stab.options":39ptxiwc said:Sure have, Angie told me what it is made from, can you tell me how it is made and what a person does with it?Jovid":39ptxiwc said:Ever hear of hay?
Its dried grass, thats fed to beef.
hillsdown":2epmb4e0 said:The next time I hear one more time that they are grass fed only I really will go certifiable, if you want to be grass fed only then you are on the wrong continent for it... Grass fed to the real world means grazing the native land only ,that is it, no cut and rolled hay fed and no silage and certainly no additives like some of your folks favorite " turkey litter ".
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Well if they are willing to pay more for it the South Americans should be happy. That imported beef everybody complains about is exactly what you are telling me the consumer wants.Oldtimer":1ggmhtd5 said:I'm neither a proponent for or against the grass/forage fed science/health advantages--but I know much of this country does believe it- and are willing to pay more to get those animals that are not grain fed/finished- or that have been fed in lots...
And even tho its been over 40 years since I sat as an Ag Business major- with Ag merchandising as a minor--I do remember is that the number one principle of merchandising was give the consumer what they want- and the consumer is always right....
options":3avj0t3m said:Well if they are willing to pay more for it the South Americans should be happy. That imported beef everybody complains about is exactly what you are telling me the consumer wants.Oldtimer":3avj0t3m said:I'm neither a proponent for or against the grass/forage fed science/health advantages--but I know much of this country does believe it- and are willing to pay more to get those animals that are not grain fed/finished- or that have been fed in lots...
And even tho its been over 40 years since I sat as an Ag Business major- with Ag merchandising as a minor--I do remember is that the number one principle of merchandising was give the consumer what they want- and the consumer is always right....
Northern Rancher":30jurvpv said:Actully guys have swath grazed native meadows up here-900 miles north of Billings, Montana-all winter with 30 inches at least of snow. It's amazing what cows will root through if they get awath opened up for them. When we swath grazed we just ran some horses with our cows-they paw open a swath in no time. If the snow gets too deep you can take a snow plow and roll the swath back on top. There's a solution for just about everything under your nose if you don't waste your kife arguing about what hay is. If grass finishing is such a lame idea-go grease your corn planter and let us poor fools hang ourselves lol.