I am not sure when they formed this association, but they were obviously not allowed into the hereford herd book. Here is a link to their homepage.
http://www.blackhereford.com/
http://www.blackhereford.com/
dun":nz4iajoz said:Any one/group could start their own breed? association. Maybe we should start the Ozark Hybred Associtaion. That's any thing that's out of a Holstein cow and is sired by a non-dairy bull. The preferred source of the bull is a salebarn bought by weight as a slaughter bull.
dun
dun":25joaawm said:Any one/group could start their own breed? association. Maybe we should start the Ozark Hybred Associtaion. That's any thing that's out of a Holstein cow and is sired by a non-dairy bull. The preferred source of the bull is a salebarn bought by weight as a slaughter bull.
dun
BWA":261g7zln said:I am not sure when they formed this association, but they were obviously not allowed into the hereford herd book. Here is a link to their homepage.
http://www.blackhereford.com/
Camp forgive me if I am wrong but wasn't Vindicator an outlaw pedigree in his day?Campground Cattle":37gg9qsq said:BWA":37gg9qsq said:I am not sure when they formed this association, but they were obviously not allowed into the hereford herd book. Here is a link to their homepage.
http://www.blackhereford.com/
They have been around a few years they were courting us to come to thier production sale in Leavenworth Ks. Am far as I'm concerned its just another Angus, Like the black Limos, Simms and so on and so on its still a counterfiet. I'm still not convinced that some Hereford breeders didn't slip some Simm in the woodpile as the hereford mane disappeared and pigment around the eye showed up to quick. Thats why I stick with the old bloodlines Braxton Giant and Vindicator.
ollie":j5lsm831 said:Camp forgive me if I am wrong but wasn't Vindicator an outlaw pedigree in his day?Campground Cattle":j5lsm831 said:BWA":j5lsm831 said:I am not sure when they formed this association, but they were obviously not allowed into the hereford herd book. Here is a link to their homepage.
http://www.blackhereford.com/
They have been around a few years they were courting us to come to thier production sale in Leavenworth Ks. Am far as I'm concerned its just another Angus, Like the black Limos, Simms and so on and so on its still a counterfiet. I'm still not convinced that some Hereford breeders didn't slip some Simm in the woodpile as the hereford mane disappeared and pigment around the eye showed up to quick. Thats why I stick with the old bloodlines Braxton Giant and Vindicator.
Matt":20a9qczp said:Any relation to Victor?
If a guy was going to get into the Hereford business, which lines should he consider and which ones should he avoid?
Google":toqda61n said:Yes is from the Victor line
txag":3l24608h said:while some breeders tend to stay within the same line or family, others will breed to whatever the current national champion happens to be.
we like the victor bloodlines in our cowherd. victors are known for being a highly maternal line. if you have a good cow line, you can breed them to almost anything & be ok (that's not to say you should breed them to just anything). imo, you need cows that are fertile, efficient, and milk. without that, it doesn't matter what kind of bulls you use.
while we like the victor lines, we don't linebreed or even like too much victor in our cows. we like to similate it to weaving a web........every once in a while, when the victor bloodline gets too far back in the pedigree, you need to weave some more back in. that's what we're doing with our herd right now. we've been outcrossing for a couple of generations to some growthier bulls and are now using several victor bulls again.
the main thing to do is to develop a plan. what is your market? are you planning to sell herd bulls, females, show steers? then you can look at which lines fit best into that plan. what works for us may not work for someone in a different environment or a different market.
ollie":3crzcdv0 said:Any of you'all old enough to remember a line of cattle from a bull called
supreme. 70's or 80's I would guess. The best cattleman that I know says these were the best herefords he ever saw. Some sold in the Bear Tooth dispersal in the 80's.
ollie":1q98085n said:Any of you'all old enough to remember a line of cattle from a bull called
supreme. 70's or 80's I would guess. The best cattleman that I know says these were the best herefords he ever saw. Some sold in the Bear Tooth dispersal in the 80's.