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IluvABbeef
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ohiosteve":1t01k8qa said:
For those in the South, I think it's a simmi or hereford over brahman getting a sim-brahma or hereford-brahman cross. Up here it's simmi x angus. MC Quantock has super-baldy bulls they sell annually: http://www.mcquantock.com/
Old_man_emu
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I would use a Gelbvieh, limo, Charolais or any number of breeds. Its about finding the that contains the traits you're looking to add.3waycross":2v1hrqgt said:
circlew
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Right now I'm running angus and brangus cows with a horned hereford bull covering them. First calves on the ground. I bought them last year and they were bred to angus bulls. Calves were born knots stayed on the cows close to 200 days and none weighted more than 500 pounds. These new baldies are hitting the ground running and are growing like weeds. I'm excited to see how it turns out.
Caustic Burno
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circlew":3ved14gy said:
Heaviest calves I ever weaned was off Polled Hereford on Brangus girl's and talk about ring the bell at the barn.
I think you will be very please with those calves come sale time.
I hung on to my Hereford girls while downsizing as they were my younger cow's put an Angus on them.
circlew
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CB so far I like them but they are only a month old. Lot better than this time last year.
BC
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Heaviest calves I ever weaned was off Polled Hereford on Brangus girl's and talk about ring the bell at the barn. I think you will be very please with those calves come sale time. I hung on to my Hereford girls while downsizing as they were my younger cow's put an Angus on them.[/quote]
Why an Angus instead of a Brangus? Seems like the "super" baldy would be more environmentally adapted to southeast Texas.
Why an Angus instead of a Brangus? Seems like the "super" baldy would be more environmentally adapted to southeast Texas.
Caustic Burno
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Why an Angus instead of a Brangus? Seems like the "super" baldy would be more environmentally adapted to southeast Texas.[/quote]BC":22ows0ip said:
Brimmer over Hereford to many calving problems with Brimmer or Brimmer influence sire over Hereford cow's. I keep thinking Brangus just scared of what the result might be. I haven't pulled a calf in years and don't what to ever again.
http://msucares.com/livestock/beef/geneticslunch4.pdf
circlew
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CB could you AI them to a low bw brangus?
Caustic Burno
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circlew":3tuavdy7 said:
The data say's no on the Brimmer over Hereford. I made so many mistakes over the years burnt child is scared of fire.
Over the years I have seen and used most fad cattle for the day. Now a black cloud might move over me tomorrow I haven't lost or pulled a calf in years. I can't sell the dead ones. The Brimmer dna and Hereford just make behemouth bull calf's. The problem with Brangus and I love the breed look at a herd of them one looks Brimmer influenced the next Angus. They are a composite breed standardized to "breed true" there is still brimmer DNA in the woodpile.
The data doesn't say Brangus it say's Brimmer again I am scared to mess up what I have built over the years.
Massey135
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You'd be hard pressed to find a high bw brangus. They are calving ease specialist. I've seen your post suggesting brahman bulls being hard calvers and I couldnt disagree more. The brahman influence in multiple composite breeds has lowered the bws of the breed. Gerts, brangus, simbrah, charbray... All these breeds are considered calving ease relative to the foundation breed.
With 100% certainty, if bws, and calving ease especially, were my concern, I would choose brahman over hereford every time.
With 100% certainty, if bws, and calving ease especially, were my concern, I would choose brahman over hereford every time.
Caustic Burno
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Data collected by Phd's at several leading Universities begs to differ.
My favorite breed is a Brahman, and I have dealt with thier pluses and minus in the last 40+ year's.
Man has to know his breed's limitations as well as his own.
Hybred vigor begins at conception not birth.
My favorite breed is a Brahman, and I have dealt with thier pluses and minus in the last 40+ year's.
Man has to know his breed's limitations as well as his own.
Hybred vigor begins at conception not birth.
There is something called maternal effect and something called genomic imprinting which all have an impact on the calf size. Speaking of cats here, the result of mating a tiger male with a lion female will be a smaller cross than a lion male and a tiger female.
Now a line of taurus cattle have a standard birthweight of say 100 pounds.
And a line of indicus cattle also have a standard birthweight of 100 pounds.
Crossing these lines with an taurus bull of the above line on a indicus cow from the also presented line makes for a calf 10% lighter than expected: 100 - 10 = 90 pounds.
While doing the reversed cross will result in a calf some 7% hevier than expected: 100 + 7 = 107 pounds.
And these numbers being only averages the big calves might in fact be too big. Most of this effect might be contributed but the fact that indicus females generally have a smaller uterus than taurus females, and"feed" the fetus less blood during pregnancy, but likely there are genomic factors here too.
Now a line of taurus cattle have a standard birthweight of say 100 pounds.
And a line of indicus cattle also have a standard birthweight of 100 pounds.
Crossing these lines with an taurus bull of the above line on a indicus cow from the also presented line makes for a calf 10% lighter than expected: 100 - 10 = 90 pounds.
While doing the reversed cross will result in a calf some 7% hevier than expected: 100 + 7 = 107 pounds.
And these numbers being only averages the big calves might in fact be too big. Most of this effect might be contributed but the fact that indicus females generally have a smaller uterus than taurus females, and"feed" the fetus less blood during pregnancy, but likely there are genomic factors here too.
Caustic Burno
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ANAZAZI":sjow4o1x said:
You are correct in your effect statement. Hereford to Herf avg calf weight 80 Brahman to Brahman 75 lbs's
Brahman to Hereford Bull calf's 100 lbs by the data Hereford to Brahman bull calves 75 lbs .
Massey135
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These generalizations are silly. A 75lb bw brahman bred to a 75lb bw hereford wont throw no hundred lb calf. Jus silly. 7% of 75 is only bout 5lbs. An 80 lb calf maybe.
Question of the day: what breed was primarily used to breed up Charolais in the 60s and reduce their bws in the process? You guessed it.... Brahman!
Question of the day: what breed was primarily used to breed up Charolais in the 60s and reduce their bws in the process? You guessed it.... Brahman!
Caustic Burno
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If you just read the data of the expert's in the field you will see that Brimmer/Char have the least amout of Hybred Vigor Brimmer/Hereford the most.
Nuff Said.
Nuff Said.
Massey135
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If you'll read the data of the experts the field you will see that the average bw of brahman cattle is 74lbs while the average in herefords is 80. That's 9% larger not to mention the slender head/body of the brahman calf compared to the blockier made hereford.
Caustic Burno
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bigrob
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http://msucares.com/livestock/beef/geneticslunch4.pdf
Caustic is right scroll down to pg 15 average birthweight for brahma bulls on Hereford cows is 94 lbs Hereford bulls with brahma cows is 75. As he's said many times it starts at conception not birth
Caustic is right scroll down to pg 15 average birthweight for brahma bulls on Hereford cows is 94 lbs Hereford bulls with brahma cows is 75. As he's said many times it starts at conception not birth
