Angus/Herford vs Angus/Simmental

[sim.-ang.king]

I've been doing a lot of research, and still haven't found anything that said Brah crosses with British breeds was better than a cross containing Continental breed and not British.
Do you know of any to point me in the right direction?

 

[Caustic Burno]

I've been doing a lot of research, and still haven't found anything that said Brah crosses with British breeds was better than a cross containing Continental breed and not British.
Do you know of any to point me in the right direction?

Data from the MSU link I posted search cross breeding cattle has weaning weight comparisons KSU and FSU both have lots of data along with the Overton test station.
The more genetic difference the greater the yield in hybrid vigor that is the simple
reason Hereford Brahman cross express the most, they are the farther apart than any other two breeds genetically.
For the same reason Hereford and SH are the closest yielding the least.
I had a ton of links on my old laptop that died and I am to stupid to figure out how to
copy the links on this iPad.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Sorry professor. I just can't get myself to blindly follow the wise teachings of academia I need to test theories myself. Enjoy the conferences.

You can educate ignorance you can't fix stupid.
I going to choose to think your just ignorant.
Academia sure has lead us in the right direction for the last half century
in genetics to epds guess they had that wrong as well.

 

[Lazy M]

Sorry professor. I just can't get myself to blindly follow the wise teachings of academia I need to test theories myself. Enjoy the conferences.

You can educate ignorance you can't fix stupid.
I going to choose to think your just ignorant.
Academia sure has lead us in the right direction for the last half century
in genetics to epds guess they had that wrong as well.

This stupid ignorant Hillbilly still has heavier calves than you :lol: but please continue to insult me

 

[sim.-ang.king]

All I ever could ever find was comparing between British breeds on Brahman, Euro breeds were never brought into the mix.


http://www.nbcec.org/topics/BeefBreeds.pdf

According to this research, unless you were using Line 1 Herefords, you could go either way. Modern Herefords, and Alp breeds are about the same distance from Brahman.
And if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the Hereford source cattle are closer related to the Brahman source cattle, than Euro source cattle.

So I guess it really comes down to personal preference, doing what you want to do, and believing what you want to believe.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Sorry professor. I just can't get myself to blindly follow the wise teachings of academia I need to test theories myself. Enjoy the conferences.

You can educate ignorance you can't fix stupid.
I going to choose to think your just ignorant.
Academia sure has lead us in the right direction for the last half century
in genetics to epds guess they had that wrong as well.

This stupid ignorant Hillbilly still has heavier calves than you :lol: but please continue to insult me

Never going to happen in a test station on the same forage like Overton the only paper
You will have for your back pocket is toilet paper mine will be cash.
I changed my opinion on ignorance when did you get your first herd last year?
I am at the end of this his journey not the beginning the one constant in the cattle industry is change or die.

 

[Caustic Burno]

All I ever could ever find was comparing between British breeds on Brahman, Euro breeds were never brought into the mix.


http://www.nbcec.org/topics/BeefBreeds.pdf

According to this research, unless you were using Line 1 Herefords, you could go either way. Modern Herefords, and Alp breeds are about the same distance from Brahman.
And if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the Hereford source cattle are closer related to the Brahman source cattle, than Euro source cattle.

So I guess it really comes down to personal preference, doing what you want to do, and believing what you want to believe.

http://bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/c714.pdf

 

[Lazy M]

All I ever could ever find was comparing between British breeds on Brahman, Euro breeds were never brought into the mix.


http://www.nbcec.org/topics/BeefBreeds.pdf

According to this research, unless you were using Line 1 Herefords, you could go either way. Modern Herefords, and Alp breeds are about the same distance from Brahman.
And if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the Hereford source cattle are closer related to the Brahman source cattle, than Euro source cattle.

So I guess it really comes down to personal preference, doing what you want to do, and believing what you want to believe.

http://bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/c714.pdf

You're on the cutting edge with 25+yr old research..
Once again I'm not discounting the benefits of planned breeding utilizing crossbreeding. I was only trying to stress that selecting quality animals is the most important factor in improving your herd.
Now go ahead and call me stupid again..

 

[sim.-ang.king]

All I ever could ever find was comparing between British breeds on Brahman, Euro breeds were never brought into the mix.


http://www.nbcec.org/topics/BeefBreeds.pdf

According to this research, unless you were using Line 1 Herefords, you could go either way. Modern Herefords, and Alp breeds are about the same distance from Brahman.
And if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the Hereford source cattle are closer related to the Brahman source cattle, than Euro source cattle.

So I guess it really comes down to personal preference, doing what you want to do, and believing what you want to believe.

http://bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/c714.pdf

Well that one says, according to the chart, that for yield, growth, and milk production, you should be crossing with Euro's, and Brahman, and not British.
It also said that Brah influenced cattle do worse in the high plains, and anywhere that has cold winters, because of high death loss, and lower efficiency.


Still comes down to what fits your fancy, and what sells.

 

[Muddy]

It also said that Brah influenced cattle do worse in the high plains, and anywhere that has cold winters, because of high death loss, and lower efficiency.

Still comes down to what fits your fancy, and what sells.

:nod:

Brahman influenced simply didn't work here unless they're 3/16th brimmer.

 

[Caustic Burno]

It also said that Brah influenced cattle do worse in the high plains, and anywhere that has cold winters, because of high death loss, and lower efficiency.

Still comes down to what fits your fancy, and what sells.

:nod:

Brahman influenced simply didn't work here unless they're 3/16th brimmer.

You just want to argue instead of look up the facts.
Never told the young man to use Brahman said it makes a difference in the bull you pick
in a cross breeding system as there are breeds that compliment each other.
Not this Willy nilly approach in bull selection.

Better call Greely Colorado and Amarillo let them know cause that is where the majority of these Brahman cross calves drawing a premium wind up.

 

[Caustic Burno]

All I ever could ever find was comparing between British breeds on Brahman, Euro breeds were never brought into the mix.


http://www.nbcec.org/topics/BeefBreeds.pdf

According to this research, unless you were using Line 1 Herefords, you could go either way. Modern Herefords, and Alp breeds are about the same distance from Brahman.
And if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the Hereford source cattle are closer related to the Brahman source cattle, than Euro source cattle.

So I guess it really comes down to personal preference, doing what you want to do, and believing what you want to believe.

http://bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/c714.pdf

You're on the cutting edge with 25+yr old research..
Once again I'm not discounting the benefits of planned breeding utilizing crossbreeding. I was only trying to stress that selecting quality animals is the most important factor in improving your herd.
Now go ahead and call me stupid again..

Apparently you didn't read the link from 2011.
Them boys at MSU will fool you lot smarter than they look.

 

[Muddy]

It also said that Brah influenced cattle do worse in the high plains, and anywhere that has cold winters, because of high death loss, and lower efficiency.

Still comes down to what fits your fancy, and what sells.

:nod:

Brahman influenced simply didn't work here unless they're 3/16th brimmer.

You just want to argue instead of look up the facts.
Never told the young man to use Brahman said it makes a difference in the bull you pick
in a cross breeding system as there are breeds that compliment each other.
Not this Willy nilly approach in bull selection.

Better call Greely Colorado and Amarillo let them know cause that is where the majority of these Brahman cross calves drawing a premium wind up.

So you're comparing Texas and Colorado with mild winters to North Dakota and Minnesota with subzero arctic winters?

All we just said find a quality bull regardless of what breed. Simmental, Hereford, limousin, gelbvieh, Charolais and the black composites they cross with black Angus excellent and their calves will do excellent at the sale barns.

 

[elkwc]

It also said that Brah influenced cattle do worse in the high plains, and anywhere that has cold winters, because of high death loss, and lower efficiency.

Still comes down to what fits your fancy, and what sells.

:nod:

Brahman influenced simply didn't work here unless they're 3/16th brimmer.

You just want to argue instead of look up the facts.
Never told the young man to use Brahman said it makes a difference in the bull you pick
in a cross breeding system as there are breeds that compliment each other.
Not this Willy nilly approach in bull selection.

Better call Greely Colorado and Amarillo let them know cause that is where the majority of these Brahman cross calves drawing a premium wind up.

You find some Braham cross calves here in the lots, not as many as before but they sure didn't draw a premium when they were bought as feeders. I know feeder buyers for the lots in this area.

 

[Muddy]

F1 tigerstripe steers weren't bringing a premium either.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Brahman influenced simply didn't work here unless they're 3/16th brimmeruu.[/quote]
You just want to argue instead of look up the facts.
Never told the young man to use Brahman said it makes a difference in the bull you pick
in a cross breeding system as there are breeds that compliment each other.
Not this Willy nilly approach in bull selection.

Better call Greely Colorado and Amarillo let them know cause that is where the majority of these Brahman cross calves drawing a premium wind up.[/quote] So you're comparing Texas and Colorado with mild winters to North Dakota and Minnesota with subzero arctic winters?

All we just said find a quality bull regardless of what breed. Simmental, Hereford, limousin, gelbvieh, Charolais and the black composites they cross with black Angus excellent and their calves will do excellent at the sale barns.[/quote]

No the point is out of the top ten feedlots in the USA our calves are standing side by side.
With exception of the two in Idaho.
The buyers are no fools they know what they can discount regionally and what they can't.
You can't hardly give away an Angus or SH cow here they will be the low sellers in the barn.
Why is simple the buyers know that back to the farm buyers don't want them.
There not discounting because of the breed it's because they can.
No different in other regions f the country.
Four weights brought 215-232 a pound today at Crockett you can bet 90 out
of a 100 were Brahman influence.
6 to 8 wt 1.41 to 1.52 if those Brahman calves heading to the same feedlots as yours from all over the south why do they bring top dollar from order buyers?

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Seems the largest lot want 25-50% continental breeds mixed in, along 50-75% Angus, and >25% of other.

http://beefmagazine.com/feedlots/what-d ... der-cattle

Maybe you need to invest in some Simbrah's or Sim cows, or how about a Char bull for those long ears? :lol:


Once again it comes down to personal preference, and what sells...

 

[Muddy]

I agree with you, Sim.-Ang.King. I preferred the cattle that makes me money while works great in my own environment.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I agree with you, Sim.-Ang.King. I preferred the cattle that makes me money while works great in my own environment.

Char is a fine animal as long as is in someone else's pasture along with the SIMM. Tried both on this journey if its roots don't trace back to England or India you can keep them IMO.

 

[Muddy]

I agree with you, Sim.-Ang.King. I preferred the cattle that makes me money while works great in my own environment.

Char is a fine animal as long as is in someone else's pasture along with the SIMM. Tried both on this journey if its roots don't trace back to England or India you can keep them IMO.

Why? Because I'm not stuck in my mindset that Simmental and Charolais are cow killers from 1970's? The most cowkillers I know of came from club calf bulls and Holstein bulls.