freddiej51
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hey guys,i have a question.
what are the 2 most breeds used to cross breed in the world?
what are the 2 most breeds used to cross breed in the world?
All they are doing is borrowing traits from the Angus like calving ease, lowered birth weights, easier keeping, and of course the black hide while maintaining their own "pure status"
southpaw":3uu65flq said:How can you "borrow" a trait?
freddiej51. Would you mind lowering your voice. We can all hear just fine. In other words unlock the caps. That is considered shouting.freddiej51":2ligb9nt said:PEOPLE!!!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
THE MAN HAS BEEN MISINFORMED ABOUT THE TYPES OF SIMMI CATTLE THERE ARE.
JUDGING BY THE WAY HE HAS DISCRIBED HIS COWS THEY ARE OF THE SWISS STRAIN NOT THE FLECKVIEH OF GERMANY.
THE SWISS IS A SLOW FLESHING TYPE OF CATTLE AND MILK LIKE CHAMPS AND ARE NOTED FOR THEY'RE HIGH BUTTER FAT QUALITYS.
THE FLECKVIEH IS A DUAL PURPOSE BREED MILK AS WELL AS FLESHING.
SIR YOU JUST HAVE BEEN MISLEAD ABOUT THE TYPE OF BASE BULL YOU NEED.
THIS COMES FROM OVER 30 YEARS OF RESEARCH IN THE SIMENTAL BREED SWIS,FRENCH.AND THE BETTER OF THE 3,THE FLECKVIEH.
AS FAR AS THE SIM/ANGUS CROSS YES THEY ARE A COMPOSITE AND ARE GOOD IF YOU WANT THIS,BUT A FULL FLECKVIEH WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF UP GRADING YOUR COMERCIAL HERD.
HERFORD AND ANGUS ARE GOOD BASE FOR A COMERCIAL HERD
BUT THE FOUNDATION TO BUILD ON IF YOU WANT THE POUNDS WOULD BE A FULL FLECKVIEH SIMENTAL WITH CALVING EASE.
I'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM FOR 10 YEARS JUST GOOD ABOVE AVERAGE WEAN WEIGHS.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":myfzj9vv said:CAB has no BREED requirement. They have to be 50% black hided - period! After passing that live requirement, than they have to pass the carcass requirements.
cypressfarms":1d8uar7m said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":1d8uar7m said:CAB has no BREED requirement. They have to be 50% black hided - period! After passing that live requirement, than they have to pass the carcass requirements.
They can also have 2" hump (I smell a brangus), and other all welcoming traits. You have to admire the job the angus people have done to promote the breed, and as a side affect the industry as a whole.
Southpaw - you are naive to think you KNOW that your cattle are PURE.
Southpaw - Don't take offense at well-meaning comments here. We are not belittling you. The problem that often occurs in explanations is that old demon - SEMANTICS - the meaning of certain words. To help us all get on the same wave length of meanings, grab your "Websters" dictionary and look up these words:southpaw":2p4g1mfy said:Southpaw - you are naive to think you KNOW that your cattle are PURE.
You don't have belittle of get your point across. And yes our cattle our purebred! Only have bought from three different breeders that have impeccable reputations for over 50 years.
I am not disagreeing with the definition, but my purpose in citing the term "purebred" was the operative word "Generations". In other words, how many generations are significant? Just a thought!southpaw":2r4olhb4 said:BTW...purebred- belonging to a recognized breed with characters maintained through generations of UNMIXED descent.
I think that is pretty realistic. I might also add that if mixed descent is discovered that animal should be culled. Not use another breed to "upgrade" or change hide color.
Andybob":3j779xau said:S.R.R,
I know of several breeders who use Simmental in the F1 stage of a terminal breeding programme, and some who use them for frame and milk in a 3 way rotational cross, but not as a terminal breed.
Andybob":3j779xau said:I read in a Shorthorn magazine about 20 years ago that Shorthorn was used to "beef up" the Charolais, anyone aware of this?
Jeanne - Simme Valley":1qpegmmi said:cypressfarms":1qpegmmi said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":1qpegmmi said:CAB has no BREED requirement. They have to be 50% black hided - period! After passing that live requirement, than they have to pass the carcass requirements.
They can also have 2" hump (I smell a brangus), and other all welcoming traits. You have to admire the job the angus people have done to promote the breed, and as a side affect the industry as a whole.
I totally agree! Many people complain that the AAA is being dishonest about the program. No way! It is a program designed & run by AAA so it bears their name Certified Angus Program - but they made no breed restrictions. They "recommend" that the cattle is at least 1/2 Angus. The carcass requirements make the probability of the meat being a pleasurable eating experience for the consumer. This has increased the awareness of the general consumer of "quality" beef. Yes, the consumer THINKS they are eating ANGUS - but what is "perceived" may be wrong, but it has increased BEEF production/consumption - this helps ALL of the beef industry.
Hats of the them - great promotion.
Caustic Burno":9ax87ivc said:Here lies the problem as I see it the average American consumer they believe they are buying Angus beef not black hided beef. It is cleaver wording at best but when the average person walks to the meat counter it isn't giving the guideline to meet CAB it says Angus here in lies the problem.