Yes, I admit this is pretty tight knit little group here of nay-sayers. There are good cattle of all breeds and they work better in some different environments, but when we crunch the data on performance --some just do better than others do-- so this gives us all an opportunity to see what areas need improvement.
This doesn't really pertain to the commercial producer that much because they don't have the data the PB breeder has anyway, but it gives the commercial producer an idea what the real differences are and It is important for those commercial producers that are trying to improve their numbers. With more education in this category, they too, will improve.
Here is a 2011 Across Breed EPD Table:
http://beefmagazine.com/images/Adjustment-factors-estimate-across-breed-EPDs.pdf
The blank spaces in this table e.g. Gelbvieh represent
No Data; and this is why I say when comparing Simmental and Gelbvieh together it is difficult because of the lack of data. To many, myself included, a lack of data equal either embarrassing data or might be a breed associations inability to press their PB breeders to gather the data or just a lack of a large enough data set.
And really when looking at the Gelbvieh in comparison with any of the breeds in this chart I don't see anything that stands out that makes them special in any way, especially with the lack of data.
Remember that ASA was the first association to have a sire summary and the first cattle breed association to welcome all breeds regardless of color.
People like RBB, who's claim to fame is being "here longer" than anyone else -- that was because the rest of us were working. Another thing for RBB --- and this is the last time I plan to mention it--- not all Simm breeders just have black cattle -- we have red too, and actually in 2011, our red cattle numbers came closer to our black cattle for the first time. I think in the very near future our red cattle will surpass the black cattle in all areas of economic importance. Too bad that Limmi's won't be part of that. I too, can refrain from bashing the Limmi's, so much, but I still have nightmares from the old days of wild crazy Limm cows, tough beef, hours of fixing fence from those jumpers and low fertility cows and bulls.
Happy New Year
JS
I would like to thank you for quickly proving Hillsdown to be right on the money about you. You conveniently ignore real world results that don't fit your BS paradigm. The reason you don't even attempt to rebutt the sale results I posted is that they are provable in the real world. I have yet to see you post ANY results of YOUR cattle. The thing is even if everything you spew was 100% correct then why are you wasting your time here with us losers and our loser cattle. The answer is because like someone said you are a child bragging about someone else's cattle. I for one would like you to post some pictures and some pedigrees of your cattle and prove to all of us just how sorry we really are. If you are not willing to do that then this would be a real good time for you to ****. By the way I don't mean your daddies cows I mean what you have bred and own. Results of your bull sales would also be enlightening. One thing you should also notice is that none of us knock Sims. It's you that's the problem not your cattle. There are Sim breeders who are members here who I personally have a ton of respect for. BTW you aren't one of them.
NOW YOU ARE CALLED OUT. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Red Bull Breeder":1hk7dkpe said:
You ain't been here as long as the rest of us Isom. Hey 3way you ever here of Running Creek Ranch out your way??