SimAngus™ Breeding > Show the Numbers

[Till-Hill]

Another thing I see after looking up your planned matings. Paper mating cows is a great tool. Another great tool would be to record and report some weaning and yearling weights! A man of your knowledge and pushing of epd's I'm sure knows that that is how the epd system corrects it self or you can have the highest WW and YW on paper in the world but the lightest calf known to man!

I will confess I don't always get mine weighed, but I'll tell you one thing when I do I report the 800+ bull calves right down the the 250# piece of junk heifer because I want to believe in the epd's on my cows. That piece of paper ain't worth squat to me if there is no truth behind it.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

G A R PROPHET - TILL-HILL RIGHT MAISY : 6128 - Z585
1/8 SM 3/4 AN 1/8 HP

Spring 2015 EPDs
CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay Doc CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 18.95 -2.45 76.05 126.80 10.45 29.55 67.45 13.90 41.55 0.03 1.36 0.02 0.52 206.4 106.9
ACC
% 2 10 10 3 25 10 2 10 10 99 1 99 65 1 1

I can mate them on paper to, just can't screen shot it quite as nice as you can. Here is a Right Answer x Jumpstart x Magnum hereford cow.

Sure looks good on paper don't it and best part higher API and TI than any of your matings ain't it?

Lets not even have cattle anymore, lets just have computer planned breeding's. Then you can just create whatever cows you want. :banana:

 

[Till-Hill]

G A R PROPHET - TILL-HILL RIGHT MAISY : 6128 - Z585
1/8 SM 3/4 AN 1/8 HP

Spring 2015 EPDs
CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay Doc CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 18.95 -2.45 76.05 126.80 10.45 29.55 67.45 13.90 41.55 0.03 1.36 0.02 0.52 206.4 106.9
ACC
% 2 10 10 3 25 10 2 10 10 99 1 99 65 1 1

I can mate them on paper to, just can't screen shot it quite as nice as you can. Here is a Right Answer x Jumpstart x Magnum hereford cow.

Sure looks good on paper don't it and best part higher API and TI than any of your matings ain't it?

Lets not even have cattle anymore, lets just have computer planned breeding's. Then you can just create whatever cows you want. :banana:

Why not, sure makes it look like we got some awesome stuff! Who wants embryo's I'll start flushing this week!?!

 

[Nesikep]

On any animal having Legacy multiple times in it's bloodlines, look up "Pedigree collapse" in wikipedia.. Bah, I'll copy and paste
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse

Without pedigree collapse, a person's ancestor tree is a binary tree, formed by the person, the parents (2), the grandparents (4), great-grandparents (8), and so on. However, the number of individuals in such a tree grows exponentially and will eventually become impossibly high. For example, a single individual alive today would, over 30 generations going back to the High Middle Ages, have 2^30 or roughly a billion ancestors, more than the total world population at the time.

Proving that it's an unavoidable thing. Now how far back are these Legacy influences? if they're more than 2 generations, I really don't see very much relevance from them.

 

[TexasBred]

G A R PROPHET - TILL-HILL RIGHT MAISY : 6128 - Z585
1/8 SM 3/4 AN 1/8 HP

Spring 2015 EPDs
CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay Doc CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 18.95 -2.45 76.05 126.80 10.45 29.55 67.45 13.90 41.55 0.03 1.36 0.02 0.52 206.4 106.9
ACC
% 2 10 10 3 25 10 2 10 10 99 1 99 65 1 1

I can mate them on paper to, just can't screen shot it quite as nice as you can. Here is a Right Answer x Jumpstart x Magnum hereford cow.

Sure looks good on paper don't it and best part higher API and TI than any of your matings ain't it?

Lets not even have cattle anymore, lets just have computer planned breeding's. Then you can just create whatever cows you want. :banana:

Sim that sounds like that Facebook game ol' Cross7was talking about. "Play farm or something like that. :lol:

 

[TexasBred]

How about let's "Forget the Numbers" and "Show the Cattle".....let's see some pics of these super cows.

 

[Till-Hill]

If someone will put it up for me I'll send them pictures! PM me or whatever!

 

[Nesikep]

OK, I'll bite...
Here's one of my good girls.. first calf was a steer at 675 lb, second was a heifer at 675, third was a steer at about 625 (but weaned 6 weeks earlier than the others at ~160 days)

Edit.. How about putting a picture

 

[branguscowgirl]

She is your "top cow" also Nesi! She gets to wear the bell. A "real" bell ringer! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Nesikep]

She knows it too! I have other cows that are really good too.. just perhaps not as "well rounded"

 

[branguscowgirl]

She knows it too! I have other cows that are really good too.. just perhaps not as "well rounded"

And she's a hum dinger!

I am killing myself with these bell jokes. :banana:

 

[branguscowgirl]

She knows it too! I have other cows that are really good too.. just perhaps not as "well rounded"

And she's a hum dinger!

I am killing myself with these bell jokes. :banana:

 

[RegCowman]

I dont think I have any 1/8 SM :tiphat:

Good to see some people raising a few good ones

G A R PROPHET - TILL-HILL RIGHT MAISY : 6128 - Z585
1/8 SM 3/4 AN 1/8 HP

Spring 2015 EPDs
CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay Doc CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 18.95 -2.45 76.05 126.80 10.45 29.55 67.45 13.90 41.55 0.03 1.36 0.02 0.52 206.4 106.9
ACC
% 2 10 10 3 25 10 2 10 10 99 1 99 65 1 1

I can mate them on paper to, just can't screen shot it quite as nice as you can. Here is a Right Answer x Jumpstart x Magnum hereford cow.

Sure looks good on paper don't it and best part higher API and TI than any of your matings ain't it?

 

[RegCowman]

That is just a photo of a Planned Mating -- you have to sign in to ASA to get those actual WW's, YW's, etc

Another thing I see after looking up your planned matings. Paper mating cows is a great tool. Another great tool would be to record and report some weaning and yearling weights! A man of your knowledge and pushing of epd's I'm sure knows that that is how the epd system corrects it self or you can have the highest WW and YW on paper in the world but the lightest calf known to man!

I will confess I don't always get mine weighed, but I'll tell you one thing when I do I report the 800+ bull calves right down the the 250# piece of junk heifer because I want to believe in the epd's on my cows. That piece of paper ain't worth squat to me if there is no truth behind it.

 

[Till-Hill]

I was signed in, I have known that for as long as ASA has had the internet. Now let's report some real data and get the "correct" epd's out there.

And fyi that cow will not be bred to Prophet. She is bred to Robust at the moment and will get Substance this year. I just used a high epd bull so show everyone paper breeding is awfully easy.

I do use Prophet tho.

 

[RegCowman]

I breed for balance mostly -- its like that Legacy bloodline --take HSF although High in API and TI in PBSM -- his growth EPD's are a crap sammich and rarely do any bull buyers around want one -- so sure we could raise a HSF calf, but why should we --- no one wants them.
I think a more balance individual will be able to help many more different types of cows, since not every cow he will breed in his lifetime has the same needs.
So we are breeding for balance.
I think I have a 1/8 SM --let me find that _ have some that go as high as 230 API --Just didnt want to put them up --No need

 

[RegCowman]

Here is a 1/8 SM - if it was easy to get double digit trait leaders across the board -- more people would be doing it (1,5,10,15,20 percentile ranges)
Like Z 14 x Tour of Duty 12 trait leaders -- not many of those around

 

[RegCowman]

Higher? LOL Bring it :tiphat:

G A R PROPHET - TILL-HILL RIGHT MAISY : 6128 - Z585
1/8 SM 3/4 AN 1/8 HP

Spring 2015 EPDs
CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay Doc CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 18.95 -2.45 76.05 126.80 10.45 29.55 67.45 13.90 41.55 0.03 1.36 0.02 0.52 206.4 106.9
ACC
% 2 10 10 3 25 10 2 10 10 99 1 99 65 1 1

I can mate them on paper to, just can't screen shot it quite as nice as you can. Here is a Right Answer x Jumpstart x Magnum hereford cow.

Sure looks good on paper don't it and best part higher API and TI than any of your matings ain't it?

 

[Nesikep]

Reg Cowman
Seriously.. Show us pictures of your herd.

 

[Till-Hill]

Here is a Redestined x Hook's Pharoah coming yearling heifer. https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... e=555C7051