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Some southern cattle are lacking, just as all northern cattle aren't the best. But southern breeders are working on genetics and management:

May 8, 2008
Contact: Steve Suther, Director of Industry Information,
(785) 889-4162, [email protected]
Story by Miranda Reiman
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Southeastern cattle stack up

A long-held industry opinion is that cattle from the South are worth less than their Midwestern counterparts. Not true, says Darrell Busby, Iowa Extension beef specialist.
"As we began to feed and harvest Southeastern cattle, we found they had similar genetics.
Producers also were using similar management practices to those in the Midwest," he says, noting more than 18,000 cattle from that region have been fed through Iowa's Tri-County Steer Carcass Futurity (TCSCF). "We just did not see the problems with Southeastern cattle."
A 2002 survey of Southern Plains feedyards, completed by Slaven Associates, identified some of those popular issues with the region's cattle. When asked how Southern or Southeastern cattle compared to Northern cattle, 88% of feeders said "worse" or "much worse." They cited genetics as the number one cause, blaming it for the grading deficiencies in Texas and Kansas as compared to Northern packing plants.
These notions support the idea that all Southern cattle should be discounted, but the TCSCF
numbers tell a different story. Busby presented an abstract on the analysis at the Southern Section American Society of Animal Science meeting earlier this year in Dallas, Texas.
Morbidity rates on Southeastern cattle were 15.22%, five points lower than similar cattle of
Midwestern origin
. In turn, the treatment cost was $2.37 less on the Southeastern cattle.
"Those are two huge surprise that go against public perception," Busby says. He attributes much of that difference to the fact that the calves come in 71 days older and have been weaned longer. "Other perceptions of cattle from the Southeast are, not only do they get sick and not gain, but they won't grade," Busby says. "They actually graded right along with the Midwestern cattle, and the black-hided ones had significantly more quality for the Certified Angus Beef ® (CAB®) brand." The Midwestern cattle had CAB acceptance rates greater than 19%, but the Southern set beat them by nearly 2.5 points to reach 21.57% CAB.
Although the Midwestern cattle did have slight advantages in cutability, hot carcass weight and average daily gain, the Southeastern cattle were significantly more profitable.
"The perception is that they're not going to perform well, so they're devalued as calves, and that certainly showed up in this study," Busby says. USDA market reporters priced cattle in their home states during the week of delivery and trucking, and death loss figures were included in the analysis. Overall, Southeastern cattle brought back $48.63 per head compared to $37.31 per head for Midwestern cattle. "That's a $11.32 difference, or if the cattle were roughly 600 lb. coming in, they were worth $2 more per hundredweight (cwt.) than what the market gave them," he says. Busby explains that these cattle weren't a random sampling from the region, but rather the product of like-minded producers. "They pay attention to best management practices that work regardless of state boundaries," he says. "Whether they live in Georgia or Iowa, these producers are early adopters of genetic selection tools."
He says they're also more likely to rely on an "advisory team" of experts to help guide decisions, and more open to sharing information. "They realize that by retaining ownership, they're financially responsible for the genetics, health and management of the cattle prior to them arriving at the feedlot," Busby says.
Robert Stewart, animal science department head at the University of Georgia, worked with the Georgia Beef Challenge, a feeder program to the TCSCF, for a number of years.
"The program and the data are almost addictive," Stewart says. "Producers see where they are. They make changes and take a direction, whether that's to increase marbling or ribeye area or other traits."
By participating in retained ownership or getting involved in marketing associations, he says
producers can get the full value of their cattle.
"People who make an investment not only in castrating and dehorning, but also vaccinating,
weaning properly and doing a post-weaning program, are going to get average price unless they pool those cattle together," Stewart says, especially as high transportation costs cause small lots to be discounted even further. Busby says this study sends a message to cow-calf producers. "Best management practices do work," he says, "regardless of where your farm or ranch is located. If you sell feeder calves, but manage them to as if you plan to retain ownership, you'll get paid better." To realize the greatest benefit from the extra work and inputs, though, Busby suggests owning the cattle through the feeding phase.

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cmf1":10lsy29j said:
Where do you get your data that the "states listed" on this thread produce significantly lower quality cattle?
That should have said the states I listed, other states listed by other posters are not included. USDA AMS
 
I do not raise Brahman cattle, thus I do not not understand why cattle from these states produce lower quality carcass. This is why I am asking.
 
greengrass,
I'd still like to see the data that supports your statement.
I am curious also as to what breed or crosses of cattle you raise in Longview, and are your cattle subject to the "significantly lower quality" standards as you are in Texas?
 
I raise whatever is cheap and looks healthy, and not very many of them. Just enough for my family and some friends. I'm sure the report is available on the web. USDA AMS.

Are my cattle part of the significantly lower quality? I'm not sure. I hope not, maybe they are. I have thought I was producing a superior grass fed product, I might not be. Maybe the problem is grass feeding.

I do know this for certian there is a reason cattle from these states, are lower quality. I just don't know why.
 
greengrasscattle":2cfnyg8h said:
I raise whatever is cheap and looks healthy, and not very many of them. Just enough for my family and some friends. I'm sure the report is available on the web. USDA AMS.

Are my cattle part of the significantly lower quality? I'm not sure. I hope not, maybe they are. I have thought I was producing a superior grass fed product, I might not be. Maybe the problem is grass feeding.

I do know this for certian there is a reason cattle from these states, are lower quality. I just don't know why.
how can you know,,. if you dont sell outside,,, put a few through the market. they either be hot cakes or sold too the lowest bidder
 
I could sell outside, but how do I know the people I'm selling to know the difference between pork or beef.

Having trained professional experts grade my cattle would be more meaningfull to me.
 
greengrasscattle":3i3twdiv said:
I could sell outside, but how do I know the people I'm selling to know the difference between pork or beef.
Having trained professional experts grade my cattle would be more meaningfull to me.
:lol:
 
If you're basing your "opinion" on looks, I think I can understand your feelings.
You first have to understand the reasoning behind the Brahman influence in the deep south.
Heat, survivability, and longevity in the heat.
An F-1 Indicus/taurus cross gives you cattle that can "make it".
I love a good quality Hereford/Brahman momma cow. Mostly because the second cross gives you a calf that will be reared right and will perform. (The third cross will yield as good a carcass as you would ever want IMO)

All that said, the first cross doesn't look like what you probably think of as a beefer. Maybe not even the second cross. But the quality I can assure you can well be there.

It's kinda like my kids reaction to the first time they visited a friend of ours who raises high dollar Jerseys for show. They asked her and I both out of concern, why her cows were so sick and what was wrong with them.
Nothing wrong with them, just not what they were used to seeing phenotypically.

This is all based on starting with and continuing to use good stock.
But I would be very suspect of anyone that claims geography has anything to do with quality.
I doubt that there is a valid report on the web.
 
cmf1

There is no denying the states I listed produce lower quality beef. Reports are printed weekly validating the claim. There has got to be a reason why. Is it the Brahman, is it the grass, maybe management, maybe just the overall lower quality of all cattle in those states. Something is behind the results. I have no Brahman, but I do buy my cattle in one of those states. I do also feed grass as do many others.
 
The report in my hand dated Jan 4 2010. It shows that cattle from the states I listed grade as follows.
Prime .50%
Choice 46.09%
Select 45.31%
Other 8.10%

In contrast states in Regions 1 thru 5 (most of America) grade as follows.
Prime 7.81%
Choice 65.99%
Select 19.51%
Other 6.69%

73.8 % of the cattle grade choice or higher in regions 1 thru 5
46.59% of the cattle grade choice or higher in the states I listed. There must be a reason.
 
USDA AMS report. I'm sure you can find it on the web. That is where the cattle buyer told me he downloaded it from. I just have a paper copy.
 
The way I have observed the calf to retail process is as follows. (not all but most)
Buyers go to the sale barn and buy cattle to fill an order. Preconceived opinions determine the price. Once the buyer has bought and shipped the cattle he will never see them again. He has no idea as to how they will grade. The cattle either go to be back grounded or straight to the feed lot. After they are fed out they go to the packer. Thousands of cattle per day are put on the rail. I have never heard of anyone giving a hoot about the breed or color. The people that grade the beef have no clue what the animal was or where it came from.
 

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