elkwc":2kvrudfj said:
BR again that is a personal opinion. IMO the Simmi and Chars have lost some of the qualities that made them attractive to a commercial breeder. I've talked to other commercial breeders who feel the same. The phenotype now is more closely aligned with that of a good Angus or Hereford. Frame, muslcing and growth have been moderated enough where those qualities aren't the drawing attraction they used to be. I like many of the Black Simmi's I see on here. But still debating that they offer me something that I can't get within the Angus and Hereford breeds. You have to be selective when using either breed. The Angus in many cases have lost their marbling advantage and the Herefords have lost many qualities with the impurities that have been introduced. But there are still lines in both breeds that offer the commercial cowman what he needs. I have a 2 y/o bull that has as much natural growth as any bull I've looked at in 5 years. The Simmi's and Chars don't offer the increased weaning weight advantage they once did. Again these are my opinions. I respect others but I say they aren't the same as the original Simmi by any means and don't bring the same qualities to the table.
I appreciate observations like that.
I will have to say that is not what I see in Kentucky. The Simmental cattle here have bone and muscle.. My first experience with Simmental cattle was through Rocking P Cattle company. Jeanne can provide testimony on their position in the Simmental Breed. Chan Phillips has been rated as one of the nation's top cattle judges. Doing the National Stock Show in Denver many times. His father Larry who is extremely ill, bred Angus cattle for 60 years. He resisted going to Simmental. Chan and Keith pushed. Now Larry is a firm Simmental convert. The Simmentals perform better on our pastures. Produce more pounds and according to them do it with more calving ease. Their Simmentals have about the same or maybe a slightly smaller frame than the Angus here in my region. I think the Simmental put on more muscle, grow out faster, and are good performers on our pastures. Granted, Kentucky has a great climate for cattle and is vastly different that Kansas and Oklahoma, even Missouri.
Edited to add: I don't think our views are far apart. The qualities of Angus and Simmental are similar and frankly, I could be happy growing Angus. I like some of the Angus I see at Boyd cattle company.