Earthquake in Japan

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They had a big earthquake in Japan. 8.9 that is the real deal. There are tsunami warnings here up and down the coast. All the coastal schools are either closed or running a couple hours late. They are predicting a 6 foot wave on the Oregon coast and a 4 footer here. The good thing is that it appears to be hitting around the same time as low tide.
 
Well it didn't amount to much here. They say the waves were like a strong stormy day. And with the tide being out when they hit there was lots of empty beach for it to run up on. Our normal tide difference from low to high is something like 6 to 10 feet. So a 3-4 foot wave at low tide has plenty of room.
Japan on the other hand got hit pretty hard. This was something like the 5th strongest earthquake in the world since 1900.
 
Ryder":1l1glg1c said:
chrisy":1l1glg1c said:
Good luck everyone lets hope it comes to nothing, Tsunami is a scarry thing. I was in the 2004 one, not nice.
They had one in London? How high did the waves get?
The waves were very high, seeing as we were on Holiday in Sri Lanka at the time.
 
chrisy":s58rxp6c said:
Ryder":s58rxp6c said:
chrisy":s58rxp6c said:
Good luck everyone lets hope it comes to nothing, Tsunami is a scarry thing. I was in the 2004 one, not nice.
They had one in London? How high did the waves get?
The waves were very high, seeing as we were on Holiday in Sri Lanka at the time.
I don't think you ever told this story of your adventure on the boards. I'm sure people would like to know details, if you would care to share.
 
Isn't that Pacific Tectonic Plate that has been causing so much quake, volcano, and tsunami problems lately (New Zealand, Malaysia, now Japan) also the same plate that runs up along the Alaskan coast and down thru California- and bumps into the North American plate at the San Andreas Fault??

Makes you wonder-- if its doing all that shaking and moving on the west side of the plate- when it will start in on the east side... :???:
 
Makes you wonder-- if its doing all that shaking and moving on the west side of the plate- when it will start in on the east side... Oldtimer...I wonder if it is Gods way of saying to us to take stock of what we are doing in this World today, what with all the Wars and uprisings taking place, I know we will never have Utopia, but it would be nice if we could all get along and have a bit of harmony for a while at least.
Ryder no I have never written my story about my time in the Tsunami, as I didn't think people would be interested in it.
 
john250":h6fxtmta said:
chrisy":h6fxtmta said:
Ryder no I have never written my story about my time in the Tsunami, as I didn't think people would be interested in it.

You posted some pics, didn't you? I remember knowing you were in that.
No, I wanted to post the video but didn't know how to load it onto the boards, I know I mentioned being in it once on a thread at the time, but that was all.
 
chrisy":2k4g6zz8 said:
Ryder no I have never written my story about my time in the Tsunami, as I didn't think people would be interested in it.

Most definitely be interested in hearing about it. Chrisy I think you forget that there are some on the board who have purchased electric bug zappers for the shear excitement that comes with ownership. Of course there are some in Missouri who were awefully let down when they realized these things actually required electricity.
 
Jogeephus":275vklmw said:
chrisy":275vklmw said:
Ryder no I have never written my story about my time in the Tsunami, as I didn't think people would be interested in it.

Most definitely be interested in hearing about it. Chrisy I think you forget that there are some on the board who have purchased electric bug zappers for the shear excitement that comes with ownership. Of course there are some in Missouri who were awefully let down when they realized these things actually required electricity.
Jo you crack me up. :lol: der ELECTRIC zappers, does that not say it all :lol: :???:
 
You can get solar bug zappers. I have bought them for $10.00. Electric bug zappers are quadruple that price.

Japan are now having big problems with the Nuclear reactor in meldown because of the earthquake.
 
There are people here becoming concerned about the nuclear melt down occurring in Japan. The next thing to the west of here above sea level is Japan. And all our weather comes from that direction.

They have proven that we get a real big quake (9.0) here about every 250 years. The last big one was 311 years ago. That makes us over due. I have sort of been looking at the bridges and buildings I pass through daily with a lttle different eye.
 
Dave":3t5z3wfw said:
There are people here becoming concerned about the nuclear melt down occurring in Japan. The next thing to the west of here above sea level is Japan. And all our weather comes from that direction.

They have proven that we get a real big quake (9.0) here about every 250 years. The last big one was 311 years ago. That makes us over due. I have sort of been looking at the bridges and buildings I pass through daily with a lttle different eye.

You have a can in a closed bucket in a bucket. The outside grocery bag broke. Don't let the media frenzy get the best of you. This is a GE BWR (boiling water reactor).
 
American Nuclear Society Backgrounder:
Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami; Problems with Nuclear Reactors

To begin, a sense of perspective is needed… right now, the Japanese earthquake/tsunami is clearly a
catastrophe; the situation at impacted nuclear reactors is, in the words of IAEA, an "Accident with
Local Consequences."
The Japanese earthquake and tsunami are natural catastrophes of historic proportions. The death toll is
likely to be in the thousands. While the information is still not complete at this time, the tragic loss of
life and destruction caused by the earthquake and tsunami will likely dwarf the damage caused by the
problems associated with the impacted Japanese nuclear plants.
What happened?
Recognizing that information is still not complete due to the destruction of the communication
infrastructure, producing reports that are conflicting, here is our best understanding of the sequence of
events at the Fukushima I‐1 power station.
 The plant was immediately shut down (scrammed) when the earthquake first hit. The automatic
power system worked.
 All external power to the station was lost when the sea water swept away the power lines.
 Diesel generators started to provide backup electrical power to the plant's backup cooling
system. The backup worked.
 The diesel generators ceased functioning after approximately one hour due to tsunami induced
damage, reportedly to their fuel supply.
 An Isolation condenser was used to remove the decay heat from the shutdown reactor.
 Apparently the plant then experienced a small loss of coolant from the reactor.
 Reactor Core Isolation Cooling (RCIC) pumps, which operate on steam from the reactor, were
used to replace reactor core water inventory, however, the battery‐supplied control valves lost
DC power after the prolonged use.
 DC power from batteries was consumed after approximately 8 hours.
 At that point, the plant experienced a complete blackout (no electric power at all).
 Hours passed as primary water inventory was lost and core degradation occurred (through some
combination of zirconium oxidation and clad failure).
 Portable diesel generators were delivered to the plant site.
 AC power was restored allowing for a different backup pumping system to replace inventory in
reactor pressure vessel (RPV).
 Pressure in the containment drywell rose as wetwell became hotter.
 The Drywell containment was vented to outside reactor building which surrounds the
containment.
 Hydrogen produced from zirconium oxidation was vented from the containment into the reactor
building.
 Hydrogen in reactor building exploded causing it to collapse around the containment.
 The containment around the reactor and RPV were reported to be intact.
 The decision was made to inject seawater into the RPV to continue to the cooling process,
another backup system that was designed into the plant from inception.
 Radioactivity releases from operator initiated venting appear to be decreasing
 
Boogie...what about this released today?? I'm certainly no nuclear engineer so am simply asking:

SOMA, Japan -- The fuel rods in all three of the most troubled Japanese nuclear reactors -- each of which lost its cooling system in Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami -- appear to be melting, the nation's chief government spokesman said Monday.

"Although we cannot directly check it, it's highly likely happening," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters.

Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.

Water levels were restored after the first decrease but the rods remained exposed late Monday night after the second episode, increasing the risk of the spread of radiation and the potential for an eventual meltdown.

The cascading troubles in the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant compounded the immense challenges faced by the Tokyo government, already struggling to send relief to hundreds of thousands of people along the country's quake- and tsunami-ravaged coast where at least 10,000 people are believed to have died.



March 12: This image provided by the U.S. Navy shows the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, USS Ronald Reagan underway in the Pacific Ocean en route to Japan to render humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.
Of all these troubles, the drop in water levels at Unit 2 had officials the most worried.

"Units 1 and 3 are at least somewhat stabilized for the time being," said Nuclear and Industrial Agency official Ryohei Shiomi "Unit 2 now requires all our effort and attention."

Workers managed to raise water levels after the second drop Monday night, but they began falling for a third time, according to nuclear agency official Naoki Kumagai. They are now considering spraying water directly on container to cool it. The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency said the Japanese goverment has asked the agency to send experts to help.

In some ways, the explosion at Unit 3 was not as dire as it might seem.

The blast actually lessened pressure building inside the troubled reactor, and officials said the all-important containment shell -- thick concrete armor around the reactor -- had not been damaged. In addition, officials said radiation levels remained within legal limits, though anyone left within 12 miles of the scene was ordered to remain indoors.

"We have no evidence of harmful radiation exposure," deputy Cabinet secretary Noriyuki Shikata told reporters.

On Saturday, a similar hydrogen blast destroyed the housing around the complex's Unit 1 reactor, leaving the shell intact but resulting in the mass evacuation of more than 185,000 people from the area.

So the worst case scenario still hung over the complex, and officials were clearly struggling to keep ahead of the crisis.

Some experts would consider the apparent melting of the fuel rods to be a partial meltdown. Others, though, reserve that term for times when nuclear fuel melts through a reactor's innermost chamber but not through the outer containment shell.

Officials held out the possibility that, too, may be happening.

"It's impossible to say whether there has or has not been damage" to the vessels, nuclear agency official Naoki Kumagai said.

If a complete reactor meltdown -- where the uranium core melts through the outer containment shell -- were to occur, a wave of radiation would be released, resulting in major, widespread health problems.

The Monday morning explosion at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's Unit 3 injured 11 workers and came as authorities were trying to use sea water to cool the complex's three reactors.

While four Japanese nuclear complexes were damaged in the wake of Friday's twin disasters, the Dai-ichi complex, which sits just off the Pacific coast and was badly hammered by the tsunami, has been the focus of most of the worries over Japan's deepening nuclear crisis. All three of the operational reactors at the complex now have faced severe troubles.

Operators knew the sea water flooding would cause a pressure buildup in the reactor containment vessels -- and potentially lead to an explosion -- but felt they had no choice if they wanted to avoid complete meltdowns. Eventually, hydrogen in the released steam mixed with oxygen in the atmosphere and set off the two blasts.

Japan's meteorological agency did report one good sign. It said the prevailing wind in the area of the stricken plant was heading east into the Pacific, which experts said would help carry away any radiation.

Across the region, though, many residents expressed fear over the situation.

People in the port town of Soma had rushed to higher ground after a tsunami warning Monday -- a warning that turned out to be false alarm -- and then felt the earth shake from the explosion at the Fukushima reactor 25 miles away. Authorities there ordered everyone to go indoors to guard against possible radiation contamination.

"It's like a horror movie," said 49-year-old Kyoko Nambu as she stood on a hillside overlooking her ruined hometown. "Our house is gone and now they are telling us to stay indoors.

"We can see the damage to our houses, but radiation? ... We have no idea what is happening. I am so scared."

Meanwhile, 17 U.S. military personnel involved in helicopter relief missions were found to have been exposed to low levels of radiation after the flew back from the devastated coast to the USS Ronald Reagan, an aircraft carrier about 100 miles offshore.

U.S. officials said the exposure level was roughly equal to one month's normal exposure to natural background radiation, and the 17 were declared contamination-free after scrubbing with soap and water.

As a precaution, the U.S. said the carrier and other 7th Fleet ships involved in relief efforts had shifted to another area.

While Japan has aggressively prepared for years for major earthquakes, reinforcing buildings and running drills, the impact of the tsunami -- which came so quickly that not many people managed to flee to higher ground -- was immense.

By Monday, officials were overwhelmed by the scale of the crisis, with millions of people facing a fourth night without electricity, water, food or heat in near-freezing temperatures.

International scientists say there are serious dangers but little risk of a catastrophe like the 1986 blast in Chernobyl, where there was no containment shells.

And, some analysts noted, the length of time since the nuclear crisis began indicates that the chemical reactions inside the reactor were not moving quickly toward a complete meltdown.

"We're now into the fourth day. Whatever is happening in that core is taking a long time to unfold," said Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at the nuclear policy program for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "They've succeeded in prolonging the timeline of the accident sequence."

He noted, though, that Japanese officials appeared unable to figure out what was going on deep inside the reactor. In part, that was probably because of the damage done to the facility by the tsunami.

"The real question mark is what's going on inside the core," he said.

Overall, more than 1,500 people had been scanned for radiation exposure in the area, officials said.
 
TB, I am partial to a PWR (pressurized water reactor).

The injected water has been borated. Borated water is the best moderator for such a situation.

The back up generators are just like the diesel generators you see in large ocean ships. Their diesel fuel was contaminated by sea water.

I would expect your watchdog link to outline doom and gloom :)

Not even wiki is preaching doom and gloom. Their info is actually quite informative and accurate. Check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_ ... ami_impact

I am sure their is a great deal of info I could disclose but you never really know where the lines are drawn.

I work at a nuke plant and receive practically no dose. Now if you work in a granite building or have granite counter tops in your home, your rad dose is scary! Your getting more dose than folks living next to this plant in Japan will receive for the rest of their lives.
 

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