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No one is implying 'chasing rabbits.'
Use a maternal bull WHEN you need replacements. Use terminated sires when you don't.
Use a maternal bull WHEN you need replacements. Use terminated sires when you don't.
no i dont,, and here's something you should be aware of.... i dont give a dam :cowboy:-XBAR-":kuzyds3z said:Again, you don't even know what t-9 is.
*Terminal
andybob":qr8boihg said:When I was buying stock in Texas 10 years ago, I saw some very nice Tuli cross females in the herd of a large Brangus rancher near Rice, he had a good market for the F1 heifers that he wasn't retaining in his own herd, some would have made good foundation stock for a Veldmaster herd.
-XBAR-":3dt06pqb said:Using a maternally oriented bull in a system where you only retain 'select heifers as needed' leaves a lot of money/lbs on the table.
*This is under the assumption that the retained heifers would be a very small % of your calf crop.
be nice if he would admit that himself...you can bet he'd have you chasing your tail...........WarEagle73":1m2zngfs said:-XBAR-":1m2zngfs said:Using a maternally oriented bull in a system where you only retain 'select heifers as needed' leaves a lot of money/lbs on the table.
*This is under the assumption that the retained heifers would be a very small % of your calf crop.
As I have admitted before, I am no seasoned rancher, but I just don't believe that has to be the case. I have seen many bulls of various breeds that produced great heifers (which became excellent cows) as well as scale mashing, well built steers. I know the textbooks say a bull can't be both terminally and maternally oriented, but modern genetics have seemingly created animals that are very well rounded. I know there isn't a magical bull that can do it all, but some exist that can do alot well.
And even if I were to give up a few pounds per head, being able to sell most of the heifers as replacements at the same price as the steers could make up the difference or even be more profitable.
PM sent Copeman.CopeMan":17rm6ab5 said:andybob":17rm6ab5 said:When I was buying stock in Texas 10 years ago, I saw some very nice Tuli cross females in the herd of a large Brangus rancher near Rice, he had a good market for the F1 heifers that he wasn't retaining in his own herd, some would have made good foundation stock for a Veldmaster herd.
Who was he brangus breeder who was doing this?
No one is disagreeing with you that you cannot find a well-rounded bull. If you are content w/ middle of the road then so be it , but remember, the jack of all trades iss the master of none.brihop":26mvupze said:@ War Eagle, if you're going to maintain one herd that you can AI/switch bulls as you see fit, then develop a good brangus cow herd (as Ala & I suggest). Then you can have a lot of different very great crossbreeding options once you've built up a herd. I thought you were going to a three herd breed rotation and gave my suggestion for that. However, if you're simply wanting to know a good breed for a bull to cross with your angus/baldie type cows right now, to maximize HV, then a Simm or Simbrah bull would fit the bill nicely for what you want (growthy steers & replacements). Yes, you can get a well-rounded bull that will produce good replacements and heavy steers. I'm out, no more tail chasin here. Hope that helps.
Just wanted to clarify where I said 'over' I meant bulls covering over black baldies, not instead of black baldie cows.-XBAR-":tsrz2b32 said:No one is disagreeing with you that you cannot find a well-rounded bull. If you are content w/ middle of the road then so be it , but remember, the jack of all trades iss the master of none.brihop":tsrz2b32 said:@ War Eagle, if you're going to maintain one herd that you can AI/switch bulls as you see fit, then develop a good brangus cow herd (as Ala & I suggest). Then you can have a lot of different very great crossbreeding options once you've built up a herd. I thought you were going to a three herd breed rotation and gave my suggestion for that. However, if you're simply wanting to know a good breed for a bull to cross with your angus/baldie type cows right now, to maximize HV, then a Simm or Simbrah bull would fit the bill nicely for what you want (growthy steers & replacements). Yes, you can get a well-rounded bull that will produce good replacements and heavy steers. I'm out, no more tail chasin here. Hope that helps.
I'd suggest a bull w/o Sim influence over Angus type cows as purebred Sims already have considerable Angus influence. Greater vigor would be achieved by using a complete breed 'outcross.' If your looking at retaining females, breeds such as shorthorn, red Gelbvieh, or any of the brahma derivatives that don't have any Angus or hereford blood would be much better choices over black baldie cows.
-XBAR-":1wvynhs4 said:I'd suggest a bull w/o Sim influence over Angus type cows as purebred Sims already have considerable Angus influence. Greater vigor would be achieved by using a complete breed 'outcross.' .