Preconditioned Calves Bring Premiums

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PRECONDITIONED CALVES RECEIVE PREMIUM AT MARKET

by: Heather Smith Thomas

Preconditioned calves (vaccinated prior to weaning) and weaned calves generally bring a $3 to $5 premium (or higher) at market time compared to unvaccinated or unweaned calves. Many backgrounders (grazers) and feedlots have less interest in buying calves whose health status carries more risk.
Justin and Sally Angell raise Charolais cattle and he also runs a livestock auction market (Eastern Missouri Commission Co.) in Bowling Green, Missouri. "We have about 110 registered cows, and we also background cattle retaining ownership, sending them west to feed. Thirty to 40 years ago there were many small, local markets. Calves would often be purchased by someone locally to be grown and fed out for slaughter. Back then, being shipped a long way usually meant only 200 to 300 miles. Today, it's a lot different. Cattle routinely travel 500 to 1000 miles, and the stress is greater. The environmental stress--new feed, new water, different weather, etc. -- may actually be greater," says Angell.

"We're weaning calves bigger and younger than we ever have. Many calves now weigh 600 to 700 pounds at weaning, whereas 20 or 30 years ago a yearling would weigh 600 to 700 pounds. The cattle industry has changed, and part of that change includes a greater need for vaccinating and weaning the calves, especially in the fall. The way the feeding industry is set up, most feedyards today can't handle unweaned, bawling calves or unvaccinated calves. High risk calves placed in a feedyard are potentially a wreck," he says.

"Ten years ago I left the farm and took a job at MFA Inc. (a Missouri based regional co-op). At the time, I was hired to help develop and implement a new preconditioning program centered around a new concept called VAC 45 (value added calf, weaned 45 days). That program evolved into MFA Health Track, a comprehensive weaning and vaccination program," says Angell.

"Just 10 years ago preconditioning was a new concept, in a lot of places. I did producer meetings all over Missouri and into Arkansas, Iowa and Oklahoma, and there were several meetings in which I had to start by explaining what a vaccination program was. Because of the Texas Ranch to Rail program and other initiatives like MFA Health Track, there's been a concensus reached about what a preconditioning program is, for these calves. That VAC 45 program (a protocol in which the calf has been weaned 45 days, with two rounds of shots) is now the industry-wide standard," he says.

"When preconditioning, we also need to keep in mind that there is a difference between just injecting your cattle with vaccine and having an effective vaccination program. The goal is not to vaccinate, but to immunize." If a calf is stressed at the time of vaccinating, for instance, he won't build immunity.

"As the marketing has changed, and calf value has become higher; the difference between the better calves that are properly weaned and vaccinated and the cattle that aren't has gotten wider. It used to be $2 to $3 a hundred, but now I'd say it's at least $10, especially in the fall of the year," says Angell.

Source and age verification is also important. "If a rancher is going to go through the steps to sort, wean and vaccinate, then I recommend adding $2 to $4 a head to source and verify (if the producers have the records). Anything a producer can do to open up new market options will help. Sometimes only one extra bidder can make a big differenc on the price you get for those calves," he explains.

"If we want to look into the future a little more, I think there will eventually be a place for hormone free (NHTC –- non hormone treated calves) and natural cattle -- whatever the definition for natural might be." This entails a little more management on the farm, and planning ahead. Regardless of program, all these value added specialty market cattle will be required to be preconditioned, he says.

The producer who puts forth the extra management hopes to get paid a premium for his efforts. "I am a big proponent of livestock markets and the marketing system of selling cattle at auction. But just like any profession, some people in the auction business are better at it or more motivated than others. If a producer is going to strive for excellence, using good bulls and the best management techniques (including preconditioning) he has to have a market outlet to work with that understands what he's doing. The market agent should know the value of his calves, to help him actually benefit from his efforts. I encourage everyone who sells cattle to develop a relationship with his agent. Remember, he is on your team. If you feel like he isn't, then it's time to change teams. Competition (amongst those who would sell your cattle) is good for producer!" says Angell.

"Adding value is one thing, whereas actually realizing that value is something else. Some markets just do a better job of retrieving that added value for their sellers. Where the cattle bring the most is where the market's owners and managers understand that the people selling cattle are their customers and that's who they work for. When that competitive marketing system is in place and it's healthy, there's no better way to sell cattle. The cattle bring top of the market for what they are, and may even bring more than what they should. That's one thing about an auction ring; cattle have the opportunity to bring more than what they're worth, if there is enough competition for them," he points out.

"Looking down the road, there are fads and there are trends -- whether you are talking about clothes or cattle. A fad will go away, but trends are long term. The trend toward better management of cattle and source, age and process verification is one that I don't think will go away. I am not saying that it will be here tomorrow and mandatory; I hope that will never happen. If the extra work remains voluntary and market driven, however, there is opportunity for people to get paid extra. When you can sell calves for $700 to $800 a head, this makes the cattle business viable and competitive with other uses for our land resources," says Angell.

"I think that as we look at the cattle business, and if we assume that the energy policy of the country is going to change -- and that ethanol will become an energy source that the country relies on -- the by-products that come out of those ethanol plants will be used by cattle. Hogs and chickens can't use these, but cattle can. This fundamental shift in resource allocation may be the harbinger of a revolutionary revival for the feeding industry in the corn belt, and for rural life nationally. I think the future is bright for the cattle business, and I encourage cattlemen of all industry segments to be optimistic rather than pessimistic. There are many people talking about cattle cycles and that cattle can't stay this high, etc. I would be the first to agree that there is a time to run and a time to walk, but barring any events outside the cattle business, I think now is a time to be stay positive," says Angell.

He has spent a lot of time traveling in Nebraska and Kansas visiting with feed yard owners and managers. "There are premium programs that reward cattle that have choice carcasses or the assumption of choice because the animal's black hide. Choice carcasses are fine, but as high as feeder cattle are today, an 1,100 pound animal with choice carcass won't make you money. The premiums will not be great enough to make money on that size animal. I would rather have a pen of high performing steers that grade Select, and finish at 1,350 to 1,450 pounds," he says. If those cattle gain well, with good feed efficiency, they make you more total dollars over your costs.

"We need to continue to select and breed cattle that will grade choice, but in the feed yard an extra 200 pounds on the live cattle will make you more money -- you can figure that back to a 600 pound steer (what he weighed when he came in) and that extra 200 pounds is worth about $15 a hundred. I would encourage Charolais people to keep selecting and culling. Charolais cattle in the feeding industry are respected and desired, and in demand." High performance cattle that get big efficiently in a feed yard are more profitable than the cattle that finish choice at 1,100 pounds. The smaller finishing animal just can't gain enough weight to be profitable, he says.

"The way the industry has evolved, it's a function of size. There are a lot of people who are deceived into believing that all they have to do is make the cattle choice, and that is absolutely not true. Cattle have to get big, they have to perform in the feed yard and gain well. Mostly, they have to get big, and do it efficiently," he says.

Red meat yield is the base of all carcass value, and except when the choice-select spread is very wide, the cattle feeder makes the most money on pens of efficient, high performing cattle that produce a larger carcass, he explains. If a 600 pound steer is going to gain 750 pounds in the feedlot and bring $1,215 with a $.90 live weight price at harvest, with 50 cents cost of gain, he makes you more money than a 600 pound calf that will only weigh 1,150 at harvest, bringing a total of $1,035 (at 90 cents) with 50 cents cost of gain. The break even purchase price for an English steer that finishes at 1,150 pounds is about $1.26 per head; the feedlot can't afford to pay any more for him than that. By contrast, the break even purchase price for a 600 continental cross calf that finishes at 1,350 pounds is about $1.40 per pound.

Genetics and good management are what enable a calf to reach the best growth potential. Part of that management includes a good pre-conditioning program for building strong immunity ahead of weaning and shipping -- so that these young calves are never set back by illness. They keep right on growing and never look back.
 
The only way I can get a "premium" here is to sell through a cph sale rather than a normal auction sale. Even then, the require vaccinations, etc. cost more than the "premium". At least we can recoop a little money for something we should be doing anyway. I consider my premium to be a live, healthy calf vs. a dead one.
 
So your'e saying if I wean my calves for 45 days and take them to a commercial auction I will get a better price. How do they know if they have been weaned or given shots. We just unload cattle, they take your name and address and thats it.
 
sewall":1revvrl5 said:
So your'e saying if I wean my calves for 45 days and take them to a commercial auction I will get a better price. How do they know if they have been weaned or given shots. We just unload cattle, they take your name and address and thats it.

The way the PreVac sales are around here is they are held seperate form the regular weekly sales and you sign an avviidavit to the affect that the calves meet the requirements.
 
I sold my calves to Laura's Lean Beef this year. They require a VAC 45 program, contracted steers at 1.20 @650 heifers at 1.15 @5.50 came in light hit there slide 600LB. steers went for 1.24 500LB. heifers 1.23. Local markets at the time my calves shipped were running .94 to 1.00for 600 weight steers. And 1.00 to a.1.04 for 500 weight heifers. It worked for me this time.
 
sewall":74q2x68w said:
So your'e saying if I wean my calves for 45 days and take them to a commercial auction I will get a better price. How do they know if they have been weaned or given shots. We just unload cattle, they take your name and address and thats it.
I would suggest that you find a better sale barn. You pay a commission for a reason they should be earning it not just charging you for it.
 
yall need to see my post about why vac wean or background em just load em..cuz we been here before. alot of it depends i think on how many your saling at one time and your relationship with yer buyer cuz here...it all pays the same. we have gone to the feed lot direct and lost money even producing proof of vac. lost alot..not a gain of 50 -75 per head over the auction. rock-nw does all the vac. i do none as i sell mine as organic grass fed. we both go to the auction and there is no measureable diff in price on the avg. cept i didnt spend days and dollars givin shots. we both have the same cond animals as far as backgrounding and weaning so...i still dont buy it. its always said and my ag agent TOLD ME that it would but so far ...i have never seen it even pay for itself
 
dieselbeef":32q7fq2o said:
yall need to see my post about why vac wean or background em just load em..cuz we been here before. alot of it depends i think on how many your saling at one time and your relationship with yer buyer cuz here...it all pays the same. we have gone to the feed lot direct and lost money even producing proof of vac. lost alot..not a gain of 50 -75 per head over the auction. rock-nw does all the vac. i do none as i sell mine as organic grass fed. we both go to the auction and there is no measureable diff in price on the avg. cept i didnt spend days and dollars givin shots. we both have the same cond animals as far as backgrounding and weaning so...i still dont buy it. its always said and my ag agent TOLD ME that it would but so far ...i have never seen it even pay for itself
So your are saying that you don't get any more for the cattle that have been vaccinated?
That makes me feel a little uneasy. I have been told that vac. cattle show signs of strength and
durability. Is it not reasonable to protect the investment along with making them look healthier? :?:
 
Red Bull Breeder":k4r3vps1 said:
I sold my calves to Laura's Lean Beef this year. They require a VAC 45 program, contracted steers at 1.20 @650 heifers at 1.15 @5.50 came in light hit there slide 600LB. steers went for 1.24 500LB. heifers 1.23. Local markets at the time my calves shipped were running .94 to 1.00for 600 weight steers. And 1.00 to a.1.04 for 500 weight heifers. It worked for me this time.
How can I get in touch with Laura's Lean Beef?
I am really interested in starting a preconditioning program.
Those numbers that you posted are really strong sounding!!





The race for quality doesn't have a finish line!!! 8)
 
359 pete Lauras Lean Beef has a web site but can't seem to put my hands on right now. They buy heavy muscled leaner cattle like Limi Char.Blondes never seem to get enough cattle.i found web site address http://www.laurasleanbeef.com. i am not going to say i will come that good every time but i did this time.
 
dieselbeef":39yeufe0 said:
yall need to see my post about why vac wean or background em just load em..cuz we been here before. alot of it depends i think on how many your saling at one time and your relationship with yer buyer cuz here...it all pays the same. we have gone to the feed lot direct and lost money even producing proof of vac. lost alot..not a gain of 50 -75 per head over the auction. rock-nw does all the vac. i do none as i sell mine as organic grass fed. we both go to the auction and there is no measureable diff in price on the avg. cept i didnt spend days and dollars givin shots. we both have the same cond animals as far as backgrounding and weaning so...i still dont buy it. its always said and my ag agent TOLD ME that it would but so far ...i have never seen it even pay for itself

I agree this has alway been my experience as well when I unload the calves I always tell the vac. history on my calves. Most of the time they don't even mention it when their selling and when they do I havn't noticed a price difference. I'm not complaining they normally sell well just no difference. maybe other parts of the country are different than oklahoma and ohio or if you sell on rfd? buyers have told me it's nice but their just going to do it agine. buyers might know if vac. calves brought more every calf at the sale would of of sudden had all their shots.
 
thats pretty much it yea...
i eat what i sell and do decent at the market as i keep plenty of meat on my animals so they are healthy. my animals are always fat but i get no premium for anything but wieght here.

do a search on my posts and you will get e bunch more responses on this topic.

on the other hand you could always say yer doin yer part to keep chemicals out of the food supply ;-)
 
i know at are sell barn when they tell the vac history they seem toget the highest dollars than the one that have no history they get sold out by head and get about half the price !!
 
We sell our calves in Sept right off the cow. They have had 2 vaccinations by then and we usually top or are close to the top of the sale. Our sale barn always says whose cattle they are and we are there to represent them, I think that certainly helps, that and good calves.
 
One thing that has always stood out to me ever since joining this board is how poorly some auction barns are run even more disturbing is the fact that most of these poorly run auctions appear to be in the south. I'm not sure if that is a result of the sellers not demanding more from the barns or if it is a result of the type of buyers buying the animals could care less about the quality of cattle they are being presented with to bid on. The way some of you remark on how you just wheel up to the auction barn dump your cattle off give your name and wait for the check is mind boggeling to me. Most people on this board have probably never heard of a green tag sale. In the North most people have never sold them at any other type of sale. The discount for not being green tagged far outweighs the amount spent to be green tagged. The premium paid here for pre conditioning is so common that there really is no premium but sell them unconditioned and you will surely see a discount. My guess is that in areas where pre conditioning doesn't pay is mostly due to the fact the people buying the cattle are maybe less concerned with the quality of cattle they are buying than they should be. Cattle run thru at one of the larger western auctions not preconditioned will be at a $10 cwt discount for sure. (Unless they were sold organic to a detrimental cattle producer) The buyers attending those auctions that sell 4 to 5 thousand head of feeder calves per week they know the risks that come from buying unconditioned calves compared to pre conditioned ones.
 
Somn wrote: The way some of you remark on how you just wheel up to the auction barn dump your cattle off give your name and wait for the check is mind boggeling to me.

That's the way it is in the south. :lol:

You have so many people with 10-15 head....... that's what they call marketing! :lol:
 
MikeC":3vwejjzl said:
Somn wrote: The way some of you remark on how you just wheel up to the auction barn dump your cattle off give your name and wait for the check is mind boggeling to me.

That's the way it is in the south. :lol:

You have so many people with 10-15 head....... that's what they call marketing! :lol:

Good posts. The first one even hurts a little.
 
I never meant to insult anyone based upon were they live just trying to make a point right or wrong. It seems to happen more in the south. As a buyer and seller in the north I would never just drop something off and wait for the check. You pay these people a commission make them work for it. Request some pre con sales or green tags sales. Don't just continue to take what you can get after dropping them off.
 
I'm not going to make many friends with this statement but there seems to be a real lack of pride in livestock, farm apperence, and equipment in the south compared to the north.
 
somn":30pr5m6u said:
I never meant to insult anyone based upon were they live just trying to make a point right or wrong. It seems to happen more in the south. As a buyer and seller in the north I would never just drop something off and wait for the check. You pay these people a commission make them work for it. Request some pre con sales or green tags sales. Don't just continue to take what you can get after dropping them off.

If the truth hurts ... well that is the truth.

You spoke the truth. We are trying to migrate to the pot load.
 
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