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Yup - at least it looks like you got a good white bull to use.
Unless I'm missing it - I don't see where they gave their customers ANY weight on the animal other than the puny BW. Did they have a picture or video posted on line?
 
Jeanne - Simme Valley said:
Yup - at least it looks like you got a good white bull to use.
Unless I'm missing it - I don't see where they gave their customers ANY weight on the animal other than the puny BW. Did they have a picture or video posted on line?
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Nothing online but they gave more info on all the animals with a supplemental sheet at the sale, 1100#, 38 scrotal. What i can remember offhand. Wasnt my first choice, but not the worst either.
 
elkwc said:
Those are truly cattle you will like every day you own them. They for sure aren't pushed. In 90 days on good feed or pasture he will look totally different. I really like the Growth Fund genetics. They tend too look better every day older they get. We have one son that we own and have used Stock Fund AI.
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The family is really nice and enjoyed talking with a few of them. At start of sale, they said where they fed them and watered, there was a quarter mile distance. I thought they were of good quality as well. I paid $3750 for this 18 mos old.
 
branxchar&charx said:
The family is really nice and enjoyed talking with a few of them. At start of sale, they said where they fed them and watered, there was a quarter mile distance. I thought they were of good quality as well. I paid $3750 for this 18 mos old.
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I listened online to the sale. They are a nice family. They for sure don't overfed them.
 
Well her is a photo of my bull, well his feet anyway. If you blow it up you will get a pretty good picture of his foot. Basically he has laminitis. He went out with the cows mid October just on grass, very sound, I noticed him always walking slowly about mid November but was still working the cows. I pulled him and took him back to the bull paddock early December and then over Xmas he really got lame with bleeding ulcerations around the coronet. At the moment he is getting around reasonably well but slow. You can see where there is some smooth hoof growing down about an inch and then you come to all the rings and then distorted toes. I am hoping good hoof will continue to grow down over winter and that he will shed the old hoof.
I had something similar happen the year before last to a heifer calf over the summer, she was a twin and got very sore in her feet in the 2nd half of summer and by weaning time she was mostly grazing on her knees. I was going to shoot her a couple of times but she still had a good appetite so perservered. By spring her new feet had grown down and she started shedding the old hoof. I have had changes in pregnant heifers when they are in good condition prior to calving, they haven't been lame but badly distorted feet which have eventually grown out into very sound feet.. I have no experience with Fescue and don't think I have any in my summer pasture though early on I did drop some out behind deep ripping. I do think this is caused by some form of endophyte or something similar in my summer grasses that the occaisional animal may selectively graze. Any ideas?IMG_0284.JPG
 
wbvs58 said:
Well her is a photo of my bull, well his feet anyway. If you blow it up you will get a pretty good picture of his foot. Basically he has laminitis. He went out with the cows mid October just on grass, very sound, I noticed him always walking slowly about mid November but was still working the cows. I pulled him and took him back to the bull paddock early December and then over Xmas he really got lame with bleeding ulcerations around the coronet. At the moment he is getting around reasonably well but slow. You can see where there is some smooth hoof growing down about an inch and then you come to all the rings and then distorted toes. I am hoping good hoof will continue to grow down over winter and that he will shed the old hoof.
I had something similar happen the year before last to a heifer calf over the summer, she was a twin and got very sore in her feet in the 2nd half of summer and by weaning time she was mostly grazing on her knees. I was going to shoot her a couple of times but she still had a good appetite so perservered. By spring her new feet had grown down and she started shedding the old hoof. I have had changes in pregnant heifers when they are in good condition prior to calving, they haven't been lame but badly distorted feet which have eventually grown out into very sound feet.. I have no experience with Fescue and don't think I have any in my summer pasture though early on I did drop some out behind deep ripping. I do think this is caused by some form of endophyte or something similar in my summer grasses that the occaisional animal may selectively graze. Any ideas?View attachment 42360
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I didn't know cattle could founder. Is laminitis in cattle the same thing as in horses? They have a coffin bone that detaches from the wall and rotates down? It is interesting that cattle can slough off the hoof, and grow new, correct hooves. What causes this in cattle? In horses, it is from eating too much high-carb feed and from eating lush, green grass. The focus is on prevention....no feed....marginal pasture, etc. Treatment is very expensive, corrective shoeing to provide some relief. I know you wouldn't shoe them, but is there a corrective trimming protocol for foundered cattle?

If you have pregnant mares you don't let them graze fescue, but other horses can, as long as it isn't too thick and lush. It is not so much the type of grass, as it is the time of year, quantity and quality of grass that causes founder. Like right now, fescue is coming on like gang-busters, especially if people fertilize and lime as the test calls for. Starting to see thick, lush, knee-high grass that will make cattle ranchers drool. But, you'd be a fool to let your horses on it.

Please keep us updated on this bull...how you treat it, etc. Y'all are just now ending summer and about to go into fall, right?
 
Warren Allison said:
I didn't know cattle could founder. Is laminitis in cattle the same thing as in horses? They have a coffin bone that detaches from the wall and rotates down? It is interesting that cattle can slough off the hoof, and grow new, correct hooves. What causes this in cattle? In horses, it is from eating too much high-carb feed and from eating lush, green grass. The focus is on prevention....no feed....marginal pasture, etc. Treatment is very expensive, corrective shoeing to provide some relief. I know you wouldn't shoe them, but is there a corrective trimming protocol for foundered cattle?

If you have pregnant mares you don't let them graze fescue, but other horses can, as long as it isn't too thick and lush. It is not so much the type of grass, as it is the time of year, quantity and quality of grass that causes founder. Like right now, fescue is coming on like gang-busters, especially if people fertilize and lime as the test calls for. Starting to see thick, lush, knee-high grass that will make cattle ranchers drool. But, you'd be a fool to let your horses on it.

Please keep us updated on this bull...how you treat it, etc. Y'all are just now ending summer and about to go into fall, right?
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Yes Warren, opposite season to you. Whether he sheds the old old hoof as the new one grows down as successfully as the heifer remains to be seen, he may be at a bit of a disadvantage with his weight. At the moment he is getting around reasonably well just a bit slow. He won't be getting any special treatment, he shapes up or ships out. He did a bit of work a few weeks ago on a two first calvers I had sold to a neighbour and seems to have done the job on them.
He has until September to get things sorted.

Ken
 
Really the same Jeanne. I think the term founder is used to describe the changes to the hoof from chronic laminitis where the pedal bone does become detached from the hoof wall and the flexor tendons pulls it down putting pressure on the sole. Removing the cause will hopefully improve the laminitis but the changes to the overall structure of the hoof referred to as founder takes a lot of work in horses with corrective shoeing/trimming, heart bar shoes etc from specialised farriers. In the situation with my heifer calf I noticed as the good hoof grew and got to about 2/3 way down the bad hoof started to break away around that last ring and started to lift off leaving nice new hoof underneath, it took about 6 months from when I first noticed her lying around.

Ken
 

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