How much gun control is needed?

[snoopdog]

I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.

Agree 100%, that father nailed it, when he made the statement about not being able to go through airport security with a bottle of water, it needs to be the same at school . I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymore , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

 

[True Grit Farms]

I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.

Agree 100%, that father nailed it, when he made the statement about not being able to go through airport security with a bottle of water, it needs to be the same at school . I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymoref , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

I don't understand that thinking at all. Did you become a criminal or convicted felon? I don't agree with the NRA on a lot of issues, but they are 100% for individual gun rights. It's been proven time and again that you can't give an inch or you'll lose a mile.

 

[Bright Raven]

I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . 1. We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . 2. I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymore , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

1. Unfortunately, gun legislation is like the National Debt. Both sides have made it a political football. I don't see any sincerity in either side. There is no "soul searching" occurring. At the end of the day, SECURITY in schools is the only viable means to control school shootings. Teachers with firearms is fine until the first mass shooting where a teacher kills innocent students by accident.

2. I joined the NRA in 1968. I maintained my membership until I left Denver in 2010. The membership was required at the range where I practiced. The range insurance policy was part of the NRA program that supports ranges. So all members of the Range had to be members of NRA. I dropped my membership as soon as I left because they are simply a political football.

 

[ddd75]

when are we going to ban trucks, cars, buses, household chemicals, pressure cookers, etc ???


When is enough enough?

How many people die in car wrecks each year compared to 'mass shootings' when are cars going to be banned?

How many people die in chicago a year from handguns.. when are handguns going to be banned?


How many people die from the flu each year? When is the flu going to be banned?

How many people die from the police each year? When are the police going to be banned?

How many people die at the hands of illegal immigrants ever year? When are.. wait.. oh yea....

etc etc etc


we are not in utopia. making schools MORE into prisons is the not the answer.
Cameras at every corner, police in every hallway, metal detectors at entrances and pat downs are the standard.. this is what people want? I know its like this at a lot of schools already.

How about the guidance counselors, principles, teachers, etc start doing a little better job, maybe making a little extra effort to spend some time with these obviously messed up students. Maybe sticking them on a ipad w/ social media as the 100% attention isn't the answer.

 

[snoopdog]

I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.

Agree 100%, that father nailed it, when he made the statement about not being able to go through airport security with a bottle of water, it needs to be the same at school . I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymoref , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

I don't understand that thinking at all. Did you become a criminal or convicted felon? I don't agree with the NRA on a lot of issues, but they are 100% for individual gun rights. It's been proven time and again that you can't give an inch or you'll lose a mile.

No , not a criminal or felon, why would that even cross your mind ? I just simply do not believe in hard lining on issues or disqualifying any otherwise qualified person from representing me or my country based on a single issue . That is why nothing is getting done in Washington, statesmanship requires compromise . I am an avid shooter , I easily shoot 3k rounds of pistol and rifle per month , weather and time permitting . The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere , even with an article v challenge , it would still go before the supreme court . IMO, the NRA could care less as long as they get their money and I refuse to be told who to vote for. The NRA is no better than the antis, same propaganda time and time again , just 180 degrees .

 

[Caustic Burno]

Agree 100%, that father nailed it, when he made the statement about not being able to go through airport security with a bottle of water, it needs to be the same at school . I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymoref , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

I don't understand that thinking at all. Did you become a criminal or convicted felon? I don't agree with the NRA on a lot of issues, but they are 100% for individual gun rights. It's been proven time and again that you can't give an inch or you'll lose a mile.

No , not a criminal or felon, why would that even cross your mind ? I just simply do not believe in hard lining on issues or disqualifying any otherwise qualified person from representing me or my country based on a single issue . That is why nothing is getting done in Washington, statesmanship requires compromise . I am an avid shooter , I easily shoot 3k rounds of pistol and rifle per month , weather and time permitting . The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere , even with an article v challenge , it would still go before the supreme court . IMO, the NRA could care less as long as they get their money and I refuse to be told who to vote for. The NRA is no better than the antis, same propaganda time and time again , just 180 degrees .

The NRA is a political action committee you support hundreds everyday through things you purchase or tv you watch unwittingly.

 

[True Grit Farms]

I support a teacher's right to carry , if they so desire, but it doesn't solve the problem , it only conceivably puts our children in a crossfire and that is not acceptable . 1. We have some serious soul searching to do and our representatives have some hard work ahead . A real solution will have to be multi faceted , and still won't be 100%, but this is just happening too often and requires real effort , on both sides . 2. I supported the NRA for years , I do not anymore , simply because I do not think that one group should have that much power over our political system , not because of any recent events .

1. Unfortunately, gun legislation is like the National Debt. Both sides have made it a political football. I don't see any sincerity in either side. There is no "soul searching" occurring. At the end of the day, SECURITY in schools is the only viable means to control school shootings. Teachers with firearms is fine until the first mass shooting where a teacher kills innocent students by accident.

2. I joined the NRA in 1968. I maintained my membership until I left Denver in 2010. The membership was required at the range where I practiced. The range insurance policy was part of the NRA program that supports ranges. So all members of the Range had to be members of NRA. I dropped my membership as soon as I left because they are simply a political football.

Do ya'll just repeat the stuff you hear on the fake news networks? Of course the NRA supports the Republican more because that party believes in individual rights and the majority of Republicans vote pro gun. But when a Democrat is pro gun they get the NRA's endorsement also. Maybe this article or a bunch just like will change your minds. IMO any legal gun owner that doesn't belong to the NRA is against individual gun rights.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06329.html

 

[Bright Raven]

1. Unfortunately, gun legislation is like the National Debt. Both sides have made it a political football. I don't see any sincerity in either side. There is no "soul searching" occurring. At the end of the day, SECURITY in schools is the only viable means to control school shootings. Teachers with firearms is fine until the first mass shooting where a teacher kills innocent students by accident.

2. I joined the NRA in 1968. I maintained my membership until I left Denver in 2010. The membership was required at the range where I practiced. The range insurance policy was part of the NRA program that supports ranges. So all members of the Range had to be members of NRA. I dropped my membership as soon as I left because they are simply a political football.

Do ya'll just repeat the stuff you hear on the fake news networks? Of course the NRA supports the Republican more because that party believes in individual rights and the majority of Republicans vote pro gun. But when a Democrat is pro gun they get the NRA's endorsement also. Maybe this article or a bunch just like will change your minds. IMO any legal gun owner that doesn't belong to the NRA is against individual gun rights.

I am not an adversary of the NRA. They have the liability insurance program that keeps the doors open at a lot of ranges. They also have youth programs that supports safety and proper gun care.

Furthermore, I was a member for 30 years. I understand their mission. In fact, if you pay my membership fee I will become a member again. I get a membership drive email at least once a week.

I dropped out because they got a little absurd on some of their rhetoric.

 

[Ryder]

I agree with Bright Raven about some of their rhetoric and they go way overboard bombarding members with their constant mailings.
But they are still possibly the foremost protector of our gun rights.
Therefore I still support the NRA. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[haase]

The saddest thing about this rhetoric is, place any weapon you want to think of in a room for how ever long you want to, atomic bomb, knife gun, what ever you want, no human contact, open that door 10 years later and see how many deaths any of these weapons have caused, none, want to place a blame on someone like the nra, place it on a lack of common sense.

 

[Caustic Burno]

The saddest thing about this rhetoric is, place any weapon you want to think of in a room for how ever long you want to, atomic bomb, knife gun, what ever you want, no human contact, open that door 10 years later and see how many deaths any of these weapons have caused, none, want to place a blame on someone like the nra, place it on a lack of common sense.

Hard to stop someone from doing you harm if they are willing to die to complete their mission.
That's what makes the terrorist so effective. Doesn't matter the weapon the end results is the same.

 

[haase]

I understand what you're saying cb, and I agree, still doesn't take away from the end result, these people are cowards and don't have any common sense, and it always gets blamed on something else, seems like the villain is remembered longer than victom.

 

[kilroy60]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

Very good point.

 

[ddd75]

they want police states, with military personal at every government controlled entity.

Now, it seems thanks to the media.. thats what the people 'want' as well.


Soon, we'll be in full socialism as all our money will go to 'protect' ourselves.

This is a scary and dangerous path.

 

[Bright Raven]

they want police states, with military personal at every government controlled entity.

Now, it seems thanks to the media.. thats what the people 'want' as well.


Soon, we'll be in full socialism as all our money will go to 'protect' ourselves.

This is a scary and dangerous path.

It is not just a function of media. The politicians also fuel the fire. As populations grow, there is a natural increase in "needs". I agree with your assessment, there is a move toward socialism. There always has been and Social Security was a big step in that direction. It is the nature of the beast.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

Always a voice of reason on these boards. Thank you

 

[Bestoutwest]

Do ya'll just repeat the stuff you hear on the fake news networks? Of course the NRA supports the Republican more because that party believes in individual rights and the majority of Republicans vote pro gun. But when a Democrat is pro gun they get the NRA's endorsement also. Maybe this article or a bunch just like will change your minds. IMO any legal gun owner that doesn't belong to the NRA is against individual gun rights.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06329.html

Are they really pro-rights, or pro-their-rights? Or are they simply pro-getting-the-vote-of-the-guy-that-likes-guns? I'm not advocating for the Democrats, because, well, just because, but I have my reasons. At this point, I'm a political alley cat-I can't find anyone that I trust or like, so I try to ignore it all and do my own thing. Washington has been, and will always be, a game for the uber rich to play to keep the rest of us placated enough for them and their cronies to stay in power and move the dollars toward their end of the table. Trump had promised to drain the swamp, but I'm not seeing it.

 

[TexasBred]

I understand what you're saying cb, and I agree, still doesn't take away from the end result, these people are cowards and don't have any common sense, and it always gets blamed on something else, seems like the villain is remembered longer than victom.

They don't care if they are cowards, gutless, idiots are anything else. End result is all that matters to these individuals thus they are the problem. Guy gotta be a bubble off plumb to carry out these atrocities.

 

[haase]

I agree 100 % tb.

 

[HDRider]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

It had to be said, and you said it well.

These school shootings are tools of manipulators to further the agenda of total confiscation of guns. It may take years, but they will never relent.