How much gun control is needed?

[jltrent]

It is going to happen looks like......I agree either the schools need to change policy or some controls happen, but what I don't know. What would actually help is the most important thing? My wife and son are in the local school system and have had threats that have them uneasy. In the past three years they have put cameras everywhere and control the entrance to the school, so effort has already been made.

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[Caustic Burno]

It is going to happen looks like......I agree either the schools need to change policy or some controls happen, but what I don't know. What would actually help is the most important thing? My wife and son are in the local school system and have had some threats that have them uneasy.

The gun is not the problem but has become the PC issue of the day.
The media says ban assault weapons.
Where does that stop? We assaulted the world with a 1911 pistol and whipped it twice, we assaulted the Indians with a lever action rifle, the British with a muzzle loader.
I see this more as a security issue like Israel does with our schools and mental health.
You still will have those slip through that are willing to die to kill you.

 

[Bright Raven]

It has reached Tidal proportions. Sadly, the tragedies are turned into political footballs by both parties. With midterm elections scaring the heII out of Republicans, they are scrambling to throw some kind of gun control on the wall to see if it sticks. Polls are looking bad for midterm republicans. May lose the house or senate.

 

[callmefence]

Blaming the gun is the easy thing to do.
You can do more damage with a gallon of gasoline than a ar15.
Generally speaking the easiest way isn't the best way. In this case it's not even close. The right way is to train ,arm, and pay accordingly our school teachers. My mother and grandmother were both teacher's. My mother was a principal. They are taught to protect their students against weather and fire. Well there's a new danger they need to be prepared for. And getting under your desk isn't good enough. There needs to be a gun in every classroom. Guns are the solution not the problem.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Blaming the gun is the easy thing to do.
You can do more damage with a gallon of gasoline than a ar15.
Generally speaking the easiest way isn't the best way. In this case it's not even close. The right way is to train ,arm, and pay accordingly our school teachers. My mother and grandmother were both teacher's. My mother was a principal. They are taught to protect their students against weather and fire. Well there's a new danger they need to be prepared for. And getting under your desk isn't good enough. There needs to be a gun in every classroom. Guns are the solution not the problem.

Your right, the problem is the nut is drawn to the black assault type weapon.
That has become the rallying cry of the media and they have control of what is seen as gospel by the majority.
As gun owners we are the minority now.

 

[Son of Butch]

A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.

 

[M-5]

the next school shooter is already out there . and already has his gun and is only waiting for the trigger. Nothing that can be regulated will stop this . only security and preventive measures will hopefully stop it.

 

[bball]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

 

[callmefence]

A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.

I've never heard of a gun losing control.

 

[ez14.]

A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.

I've never heard of a gun losing control.

I think he means the person losing control of the gun. And then having an accident

 

[Caustic Burno]

A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.

I've never heard of a gun losing control.

The only real safety on a firearm is in between the ears.

 

[Son of Butch]

Owner/operator is always responsible for care, custody and control of the machine in question, be it a car, chainsaw
gun or whatever.

 

[Ky hills]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

I am in agreement with you, I see the epidemic level of drugs of all kinds and alcohol along with other factors being larger in number and in dire need of being addressed as well. In my opinion the seemingly random and sporadic incidents by unhinged individuals with guns makes it very scary and unnerving. As society we are quick to place blame on guns, that's easy and takes responsibility off of society. Problem is if guns were heavily controlled or banned people wishing to do harm would adapt. I think you are right as a whole we have lost sight and in my mind it has a lot to do with things in popular culture ie, movies, video games, music, tv shows. It seems to me children are being systematically desensitized to violence and now after a progression spanning several generations, what was "unheard of" years ago is now common place.
At the risk of sounding preachy I think we would all be better off if more emphasis was put on kindness and caring rather than pushing the envelope of violence in the name of the latest and greatest movie or game.

 

[Brute 23]

There needs to be upgrades to the current system. In most of the cases the shooters slipped thru a crack. They need to fix the cracks not add on more rules that don't work.

 

[Ebenezer]

If we label crazy people as crazy and as folks who should not own guns then we are a mean and bad society with labels and stereotypes. If we allow guards at a school or legal armed citizens at a school we are idiots to allow decent folks to defend themselves but we allow armed guards in concerts, government buildings, banks, museums, ... The problems are creating sitting ducks in gun free zones, no defense and a lack of swift punishment for the offenders. The guns are no more evil than a knife is evil or a rope or a car. The problem is the lack of ability to identify and control problem people and take them out swiftly when they avoid laws and become violent.

 

[Dave]

If they are going to somehow restrict our second amendment rights, should we restrict the first amendment rights of members of the press who are proven to lie?

 

[1982vett]

:clap:

If they are going to somehow restrict our second amendment rights, should we restrict the first amendment rights of members of the press who are proven to lie?

:clap: can I get an AMEN!

 

[haase]

What would the libs do then?

 

[1982vett]

What would the libs do then?

Probably explode....

 

[JSCATTLE]

I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.