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Or am I interpreting the information wrong?
Ollie":1603zktv said:Txag,
Your right , i'm anti epd and your pro epd or to say it another way I'm pro certain progress and your anti certain progress. If my heifers are having 78# calves and a certain bull has calves weighing 65# after 100 calves I would feel confident he could lower my birthweights.
Ollie":22vi2g05 said:Txag,
Your right , i'm anti epd and your pro epd or to say it another way I'm pro certain progress and your anti certain progress. If my heifers are having 78# calves and a certain bull has calves weighing 65# after 100 calves I would feel confident he could lower my birthweights.
If you dont like EPD's dont use them as a tool in your own program. Even though you do not want to recognize them for what they are; they are still there.Ollie":2nkrog1a said:txag,
Any one could look at 12H or Driver or similiar bulls and see that they are hard calving but in the day people were willing to sacrafice that for growth. You don't need epd's for that.
Ollie":1p1vqh2z said:I ask that to prove that you can't make breeding decisions using epd's when your trying to improve the actual. An another example would be if my heifers were having 78# calves and I wanted to decrease that a few pounds there is no information in an epd to help me make that decision. You guys will be the first to admit that they are a comparison of differences, not a number that can be used if I know the number that I'm breeding for. Having said that If you know what you want as an actual outcome you could be making a mistake using epd's
Ollie":1o5nggt6 said:Txag,
You just proved my point better than I could have. If I used the hereford bull you refer to expecting only +4 bw epd I would have been suprised.
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I don't think you'll here any breed associations putting weight values on any epd's because they can't. Along the same vane of thought what would a +.25 marbeling epd represent to you? I don't know either.
You guys do what you want . I'll use actual data to change my cattle especially in relation to carcas epd's and genestar
Thank you.Ollie":3fyitz72 said:I was speaking where I wasn't invited. Ya'll can go back to your discussion
Ollie":1fu2gaqi said:Txag,
You just proved my point better than I could have. If I used the hereford bull you refer to expecting only +4 bw epd I would have been suprised.
Ollie":1viio1bc said:Txag,
You just proved my point better than I could have. If I used the hereford bull you refer to expecting only +4 bw epd I would have been suprised.
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I don't think you'll here any breed associations putting weight values on any epd's because they can't. Along the same vane of thought what would a +.25 marbeling epd represent to you? I don't know either.
You guys do what you want . I'll use actual data to change my cattle especially in relation to carcas epd's and genestar
Ollie":4l6524dq said:This is a question I know the answer to but how large of a marbeling epd does it take to improve this heifer?
Ollie":2w6tho6j said:I ask that to prove that you can't make breeding decisions using epd's when your trying to improve the actual. An another example would be if my heifers were having 78# calves and I wanted to decrease that a few pounds there is no information in an epd to help me make that decision. You guys will be the first to admit that they are a comparison of differences, not a number that can be used if I know the number that I'm breeding for. Having said that If you know what you want as an actual outcome you could be making a mistake using epd's
D.R. Cattle":1das3rke said:Wouldn't a breeds EPD for birthweight be doing the same thing? Provided the accuracy factor was high? If the bull's accuracy level was .99 and his EPD for BW is-1.0, doesn't it mean he is proven by 99 out of 100 to throw calves 1 lb less than the breed average?