City Guy":9cslz3ik said:If you want good Red Angus take a look at Red Hill in TN and Calvo in Nebraska. Both are forage only producers. Also Lacy and Dunseth in MO.
WarEagle73":3astpufw said:I've been looking ahead a bit to next year's breeding season. I took the jump and started tinkering with A.I. this year and had enough success that I want to keep trying. My goal is to use A.I. on the females I want to keep replacement heifers out of and clean up with a terminal bull. My question is about genetics.
Our direction is to have a cowherd that thrives on our fescue-based forage system with no supplemental feed. We've been practicing our version of MIG with good success for a couple of years now and we think we already have cows that fit the mold pretty well.
For the Angus breed I feel pretty good about my knowledge of genetics that will work. I am a fan of cattle like you see in Wye, Ohdle, and those type herds. Even some Pharo genetics as well as mainstream genetics that should work in a system like this. Other breeds, though, I am not as familiar with the genetics that fit that criteria. With Herefords you have Trask bloodlines still around, but who else? I feel pretty confident that there are lots of these breeders in the Red Angus breed and others, I just don't know of them.
Any thoughts on the topic would be greatly appreciated. We don't breed again until 2016, but I want to put together a game plan and starting hunting down semen in advance.
elkwc":20ncmdxm said:WarEagle73":20ncmdxm said:I've been looking ahead a bit to next year's breeding season. I took the jump and started tinkering with A.I. this year and had enough success that I want to keep trying. My goal is to use A.I. on the females I want to keep replacement heifers out of and clean up with a terminal bull. My question is about genetics.
Our direction is to have a cowherd that thrives on our fescue-based forage system with no supplemental feed. We've been practicing our version of MIG with good success for a couple of years now and we think we already have cows that fit the mold pretty well.
For the Angus breed I feel pretty good about my knowledge of genetics that will work. I am a fan of cattle like you see in Wye, Ohdle, and those type herds. Even some Pharo genetics as well as mainstream genetics that should work in a system like this. Other breeds, though, I am not as familiar with the genetics that fit that criteria. With Herefords you have Trask bloodlines still around, but who else? I feel pretty confident that there are lots of these breeders in the Red Angus breed and others, I just don't know of them.
Any thoughts on the topic would be greatly appreciated. We don't breed again until 2016, but I want to put together a game plan and starting hunting down semen in advance.
Not sure what Herefords do good on fescue as I've never had any experience with it. If it was me I would contact some breeders in areas that have fescue. One herd that has good, well muscled Herefords with older bloodlines is the Deewall's. Go to their web page and look at their cattle especially "Doc". They are linebred and perform well. But not sure if they have ever been in a fescue environment. But if you contacted them they would tell you.
I had a bull that was a Prototype son before my current bull. He threw very small calves that grew fairly decent. One problem that I see is that your Prototype bull is M1c (double muscling defect genetic carrier). I like the OCC Paxton sired bull that have now. He would be Coleman Charlo's half brother. His calves are about as small as the calves from the Prototype bull, but they have better growth. I am glad to see that I have fellow Southerners like Gizmom, War Eagle73, and Alacowman using Ohlde genetics.WarEagle73":2nfpz965 said:Just updating an old thread. We had 11 AI calves from Rito 6EM3 of 4L1 Emblazon (5), Connealy Consensus 7229 (2), and KCF BENNETT 9126J R294 (4), as well as 8 calves out our clean up bull AU Prototype 442 (an OCC Prototype son). I'll post some pictures of each group. Overall the 6EM3s were the most impressive group with the R294s and Prototypes right behind. I am probably going to stop using 7229, as those calves just haven't kept up and two heifers we raised last year out of him both came up open after one shot AI and 5 months with the clean up bull.
Of the sire groups, we have 2 heifers of each AI and 3 or 4 out of Prototype. Those will get one chance AI and the AI-sired heifers will get a short breeding season with the clean up bull. All of the steers and the heifers that come up open will go to the feedyard and I will have carcass data to report back on those calves in roughly 12 months.
Rito 6EM3 of 4L1 Emblazon
6EM3Nicest (and heaviest) heifer this year is a 6EM3 out of a 3 year old cow. To me she is as close to perfect as we have ever made. I'm really excited to see how she develops. She was also the 2nd heaviest calf in the herd behind the steer below on the left.
Nicest(and heaviest) heifer this year is a 6EM3 out of a 3 year old cow. To me she is as close to perfect as we have ever made. I'm really excited to see how she develops. She was also the 2nd heaviest calf in the herd behind the steer above on the left.
I think we are going to use MUCH more 6EM3 next year. Everything I hear from the Angus breeders I know is that the females are some of the best on the farm. Moderate and easy fleshing, but always weaning one of the heaviest calves.
Connealy Consensus 7229
Our two 7229 heifers. Good calves, but I like the 6EM3s better. No need for 2 Angus bulls in our small herd.
I went out to OCC as part of our farmers' federation beef tour last year. They had the Zodiac bull up in the barn for us to check out. I snapped a couple pictures of him. I thought he was pretty impressive myself! The only thing that keeps me from jumping on the OCC wagon a little more is their carcass numbers. I want to see some calves hang on the rail before I get more OCC genetics in the herd. I do plan on trying some Charlo this year though.gizmom":26aokwxf said:I really like the 6EM3 heifer, and the OCC calves.the Bennett calves look ok not as deep as the others but they sure are long. Keep up posted on how they work in the feedyard and on the rail. We were at OCC a little over a week ago and he has a young bull Zodiak that is sure good. I will be getting more info on him, I don't have EPD's or registration number as yet, but phenotypically he is as good as I have seen anywhere. We will be at Larry Colemans this week he has a few Bulls I really want to look at as well. What Angus Bulls will you be using this year?
Gizmom