thommoos":1o29qngs said:
Put that bull in the wind ASAP, Look 45 days are not going to make a difference, feet trimmed, he was on free choice feed out of a creeper :shock: Sounds like a common practice for this breeder, why was he not checked by the breeder before selling :?: It does not add up, bad bull, brimmers based animal are not suppose to be affected by the heat
I was told by another breeder that had this same situation happen to him, bull was on the young side of 2, had him checked after a hot summer, then wasn't any good. He let him turn 2, checked him in fall/winter and he came back fine and used the bull so several years. This was a Gert bull. Heat will effect any bull who's balls haven't dropped down far enough to dissipate the heat, Especially during a summer like this one was. The vet said over half the bulls he has checked this summer have checked bad, and he believed it to be due to the Extreme heat we had this summer. That check I had, the bull had been running with no cows of any kind, so the stuff he produced 60 days before the test (end of July) was still in there. Of course it wasn't gonna test good, I should have known that.
I am gonna keep the bull til the 2nd week in Nov. and have him tested again, if he doesn't test, then I will make arrangements with the gentleman I bought him off of to get him back to him and will get my money back. If I'm wrong, that's fine. I'll take him back and purchase one in Nov at a sale in Georgia, a month before I need one for my breeding season. If I'm right and he turns out good, then I will have a genetically awesome herd sire to put on my registered cows.
He hasn't been on cotton seed anything that I am aware of. Since he has been with me, he has gotten 3 coffee cans of 12% Co-op feed a day and been in a pasture with some other bulls eating a good diet of grass. . A breeder told me not to feed him anything with cotton seed anything in it, that' s why I mentioned it in the first place.
AGAIN HIS FEET ARE NOT BAD, NOR DO THEY WORRY ME. THE VET EVEN TOLD ME HE DID NOT THINK THEY NEEDED IT. The gentleman I bought him off of, suggested that I keep his feet trimmed before breeding season every year, and I was/am gonna breed him in Dec, so I was going to have his feet trimmed in preparation of that. And that is something I agree with, cause if they get foot problems, they ain't gonna breed a cow.
I saw this guys operation. He takes very good care of his animals. He won the 2010 National champion bull, so he and his farm manager know what they are doing. I am not knocking the man. He is a good man, who stands by his product. He would reimburse me today if I wanted to take the bull back, or he's wait for me to get another test, and that's what I've told him I will do.
If the bull fails another test, then he will be on the road back to him and I will have no ill-will to the man I bought him from.
And thommoos, the breeder told me I could come pick out a bull and he would take it to have it checked, and I could come back and pick it up. I chose to pick him up the day I picked him up and took him to get tested myself (which the breeder is going to pay for at his expense). That was my mistake, something I will learn from for the future.
All cattle are effected by heat......Santa Gertrudis are just more adapted to heat than other English breeds. They aren't perfect and completely immune to heat. 100 degree temps with heat indexs in the teens, that's going to affect even Gerts to an extent.
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