5 yrs for burning 139 acres of BLM

[Kathie in Thorp]

1970 3,293 −6.5%
1980 3,579 8.7%
1990 2,913 −18.6%
2000 3,064 5.2%
2010 2,806 −8.4%
Est. 2014 2,722 [26] −3.0%

Burns Oregon population from 1970 to current levels. I was there in December to visit relatives. It is a Vastly different community than it was in the 1990's vacant buildings and no manufacturing jobs left. It is similar to many small towns across America, no money no jobs and little hope to create new jobs. In 1990 there was 20,000 people in Harney County Oregon and today there are 7,260. I don't see that as a thriving community. Too much Government regulations and EPA restrictions have turned Harney County into a stagnant community. I can remember several lumber mills. Today there are none. So today I see Burns Oregon as little more than a ghost town of a once wonderful thriving small American community.

Over 2,000 people still live in the recent census area of Burns. That is not a ghost town. Don't demean the people there by saying they are nothing.

 

[Kathie in Thorp]

So ,I think I'm gonna give up trying to follow this and ask for a summary when this is all over. LOL :lol:

Good choice.

 

[Kathie in Thorp]

I hope nobody gets me wrong.

I'm not condoning what they did, or how they did it.

Lavoy's actions on that afternoon, led to what happened.

I do think they they drew attention to a problem that wasn't getting attention.

I also think that worse occurs everyday.

I also don't appreciate being spoon fed one side of the confrontation. Whatever the truth is, even if it's the original narration of the video, that's fine. I'd like to see a more detailed report. Just like fenceman said. Even if they got scared and starting shooting, if that's what happened, then I can handle the truth. If I was standing in the middle of that rode, I might would have shot to.

I also think this hits close to home for some of us, and not others. It involves values, land, family, livestock, and a way of life. This wasn't about drugs. It wasn't about knocking over a liquor store. This was people that made a stand for something they believed in. However be it a poorly thought out not well executed plan, that ended in tragedy.

I hope it never happens to me and mine. I hope we never have to decide that we are tired of crawfishing, but we've all taken steps backwards on the moral ground in the last few years. At some point, more people are going to decide that they've back pedaled as far as they are going to go.

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[W.T]

Over 2,000 people still live in the recent census area of Burns. That is not a ghost town. Don't demean the people there by saying they are nothing.

Well heel Nothing but the facts mam, nothing but the facts. Burns is a depressed economy, created by government over regulation. Nothing demeaning about the facts. You have a wonderful day Kathie.

 

[TexasBred]

Over 2,000 people still live in the recent census area of Burns. That is not a ghost town. Don't demean the people there by saying they are nothing.

Well heel Nothing but the facts mam, nothing but the facts. Burns is a depressed economy, created by government over regulation. Nothing demeaning about the facts. You have a wonderful day Kathie.

WT we have thousands of little "depressed economy" communities like this all over the country. Apparently over 2000 folks love the lifestyle. I live in one of those little communities and its wonderful.

 

[fenceman]

Evil is in the eye of the beholder. To me evil is someone who threatens violence, ignores the law, intimidates people, makes their own rules all for own profit or their own agenda.

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[Dave]

Over 2,000 people still live in the recent census area of Burns. That is not a ghost town. Don't demean the people there by saying they are nothing.

Well heel Nothing but the facts mam, nothing but the facts. Burns is a depressed economy, created by government over regulation. Nothing demeaning about the facts. You have a wonderful day Kathie.

WT we have thousands of little "depressed economy" communities like this all over the country. Apparently over 2000 folks love the lifestyle. I live in one of those little communities and its wonderful.

Realize that this "little community" is the only town in a county that is bigger than 6 states. Any thing else shown on a map are just wide spots that may not even have a gas station. In the late 70's there were over 700 timber related jobs in the county. Now there are none. The poverty rate in Burns is much higher than the rest of the state. A good number of those 2,000 people are just too poor or too old to leave. You don't live in Burns and work in some other town because it is a 2 hour drive to the nearest town, if you drive the speed limit is probably closer to 3 hours.

 

[ropinranger]

I live in a small town (less than 2,000) and I don't take offense to what WT is saying. He is just pointing out that Burns lost a lot of business and people due to blm overreach.

I think there were better ways to get the word out than what has happened. But, I wasn't there and don't know why they chose that path.

It is a bit funny, and troubling, however; that a lot of folks are upset with the Bundy's tactics and want the to pay $$, however folks in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, etc. can burn, loot, trash, blow up police vehicles, barricade a police station, etc. and folks aren't nearly as upset...AND, don't forget, the people these mobs are "protesting" for are ALL criminals!!

 

[Caustic Burno]

I live in a small town (less than 2,000) and I don't take offense to what WT is saying. He is just pointing out that Burns lost a lot of business and people due to blm overreach.

I think there were better ways to get the word out than what has happened. But, I wasn't there and don't know why they chose that path.

It is a bit funny, and troubling, however; that a lot of folks are upset with the Bundy's tactics and want the to pay $$, however folks in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, etc. can burn, loot, trash, blow up police vehicles, barricade a police station, etc. and folks aren't nearly as upset...AND, don't forget, the people these mobs are "protesting" for are ALL criminals!!

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[W.T]

I live in a small town (less than 2,000) and I don't take offense to what WT is saying. He is just pointing out that Burns lost a lot of business and people due to blm overreach.

I think there were better ways to get the word out than what has happened. But, I wasn't there and don't know why they chose that path.

It is a bit funny, and troubling, however; that a lot of folks are upset with the Bundy's tactics and want the to pay $$, however folks in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, etc. can burn, loot, trash, blow up police vehicles, barricade a police station, etc. and folks aren't nearly as upset...AND, don't forget, the people these mobs are "protesting" for are ALL criminals!!

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Well gentlemen thank you for your support. I know Burns Oregon it is a wonderful town that once had a booming timber business and many ranchers, in a thriving small town America. Today it has no Timber industry and no manufacturing jobs. The Jobs that are there are mostly government jobs or farming and ranching. And the ranching and farming are getting less every year. The largest city I have ever lived in has a population of 3500 during the mining boom and I have saw as little as 1900 when the mines closed in the 1980's. I feel for the good ranchers of Burns Oregon they are good people. I do not support what The Bundy's did. But I do understand why they did it. I do not support the BLM and there actions. But I understand why they do it. Today the Hammonds and Any Western rancher is no different than the American Indians of the 1890's. They are on land that eastern America has found to have value to there schemes and ambitions. And they want us gone! Many people have no clue as to just what a ranch in eastern Oregon or Northern Nevada is and very few can live the hard lifestyle. Ranges can range from 60 acres to a cow to over 300 acres to feed one cow and her calf for the year. This is hardly central park. When range fire fighting is the third largest economic staple in the state something is terribly wrong. When BLM cops pass everyone on the freeway at over 90 MPH and they are not held accountable something is seriously wrong. When BLM firefighters set back fires that burn dozens of sq miles of fires for no reason, something is wrong. Our Sheriff took the oath to be a constitutional Sheriff. And has stood against government over regulation. This is a larger issue than The Hammonds or the Bundy's it is about America the beautiful, To one nation under god, and to the Republic for which it stands.... or do we just allow ourselves to become the socialists they want us to be.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

It is a bit funny, and troubling, however; that a lot of folks are upset with the Bundy's tactics and want the to pay $$, however folks in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, etc. can burn, loot, trash, blow up police vehicles, barricade a police station, etc. and folks aren't nearly as upset...AND, don't forget, the people these mobs are "protesting" for are ALL criminals!!

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And it amazes me, that so many people just do not see it.

 

[W.T]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38397916&nid=14 ... d=topstory

 

[W.T]

http://fox13now.com/2016/02/05/supporte ... y-finicum/

 

[gimpyrancher]

There may come a time for armed revolution. But it's not now.

Let's consider the Berns incident as an example of what not to do.

What happened, I think, was far more than what the surviving families expected. I say surviving also for the families of people who are going to spend a lifetime behind bars.

I also hope Berns is not referred to every time gun control issues are brought up at our Capitol. That will also be a consequence locally.

But I do pray for peace for LaVoy's family.

 

[Kathie in Thorp]

There may come a time for armed revolution. But it's not now.

Let's consider the Berns incident as an example of what not to do.

What happened, I think, was far more than what the surviving families expected. I say surviving also for the families of people who are going to spend a lifetime behind bars.

I also hope Berns is not referred to every time gun control issues are brought up at our Capitol. That will also be a consequence locally.

But I do pray for peace for LaVoy's family.

I don't think any one of those folks will spend a lifetime behind bars -- don't think any of them will be charged as complicit in LaVoy's death in any way. And I think the prosecutors will proceed only on charges they are confident about, and not BS stuff that would fuel the discontent; but at the same time, get the message across that what happened at the Oregon refuge is not taken lightly, and as future "food for thought" as John Doe Citizens choose the means to express dissatisfaction. I do feel bad for the Finicum family; sounds like LaVoy was a good man, but so ardent in his beliefs that his good judgment was swayed as to possible consquences.

Now (like everyone else) I'm anxious for the investigation's reports, videos, conclusions, etc. to be made public.

 

[Cross-7]

Ron Paul warned in 1997

[youtube]https://youtu.be/MDYavVAZRLw[/youtube]

 

[gimpyrancher]

Kathie in Thorp,

> I don't think any one of those folks will spend a lifetime behind bars -- don't think any of them will be charged as complicit in LaVoy's death in any way.

No argument. However, the proper charge is Felony Murder. Every single one of them should be charged as such.

> And I think the prosecutors will proceed only on charges they are confident about, and not BS stuff that would fuel the discontent; but at the same time, get the message across that what happened at the Oregon refuge is not taken lightly, and as future "food for thought" as John Doe Citizens choose the means to express dissatisfaction.

We'll have to let this play out. There will be more. After the remaining four are placed in cuffs, perhaps then the charge will be made right. While I feel that protesting is a Right, obviously there is a right way and a wrong way. I would think that with (what is it) 16 defendants, 16 charged with felony murder and the right to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Not sure, but I believe that would produce a second thought about how.

> I do feel bad for the Finicum family; sounds like LaVoy was a good man, but so ardent in his beliefs that his good judgment was swayed as to possible consquences.

LaVoy was taunting every LEO on the block. Daring them. Chose to die instead of returning to take care of his family. Make a statement. Again, I feel for his family, but he got what he wanted. But I also feel for the people that will live with the results of a suicide by cop.

> Now (like everyone else) I'm anxious for the investigation's reports, videos, conclusions, etc. to be made public.

Unlike in the media, they need time to get everything together. Many experts must go over records and such and make written reports. Only people that were not involved expect instant answers.

 

[JMJ Farms]

This may have already been posted but if it was I missed it. Lavoy was shot 9 times. Need I say more? Until I see evidence that disputes it I will continue to believe he was shot with his hands up.

 

[Cross-7]

This may have already been posted but if it was I missed it. Lavoy was shot 9 times. Need I say more? Until I see evidence that disputes it I will continue to believe he was shot with his hands up.

I haven't seen that
Where'd you see it ?

 

[Bigfoot]

I have read it a couple of places, but it was those underground news sites.