Stocker Steve
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Saw some "cow maker" BA bulls that go back to Wye breeding. The $W were about + $10 and $EN were about + $25. :nod: Heifers should be low input, but how would the steers stack up to you?
KNERSIE":13kass1q said:They should be OK. I'd much rather use that than most modern BA genetics
cow pollinater":3bgkv0ka said:EPD's are just averages that come from a lot of different operations. If for example, My neighbor used a bull with a 60 WW and creep fed everything and I used the same bull and expected them to do it on just grass, our results would be very different. What you will see when you use low input genetics in a low input management system is that you'll get the best out of those calves while the higher growth stuff won't reach it's potential. I've seen calves from low input cattle outgrow or at least match the higher growth EPD calves when they're put in tough conditions and the cows breed back better because they don't NEED help.
cow pollinater":3f7d7ou4 said:What you will see when you use low input genetics in a low input management system is that you'll get the best out of those calves while the higher growth stuff won't reach it's potential. I've seen calves from low input cattle outgrow or at least match the higher growth EPD calves when they're put in tough conditions and the cows breed back better because they don't NEED help.
Feed Lots, they are set up for higher inputs to maximize highest growth potential.Stocker Steve":2s971fyk said:cow pollinater":2s971fyk said:What you will see when you use low input genetics in a low input management system is that you'll get the best out of those calves while the higher growth stuff won't reach it's potential. I've seen calves from low input cattle outgrow or at least match the higher growth EPD calves when they're put in tough conditions and the cows breed back better because they don't NEED help.
OK.
So where is this taking us financially.
If high growth genetics are not effective with low input operations, and high input operations average $50 more feed to wean 40 pounds more calf at potentially a lower conception rate - - who gains from high growth genetics?
Son of Butch":2bpde7l8 said:Feed Lots, they are set up for higher inputs to maximize highest growth potential.
Exactly! Well saidcow pollinater":37i6k2gz said:EPD's are just averages that come from a lot of different operations. If for example, My neighbor used a bull with a 60 WW and creep fed everything and I used the same bull and expected them to do it on just grass, our results would be very different. What you will see when you use low input genetics in a low input management system is that you'll get the best out of those calves while the higher growth stuff won't reach it's potential. I've seen calves from low input cattle outgrow or at least match the higher growth EPD calves when they're put in tough conditions and the cows breed back better because they don't NEED help.
pdfangus":1g1r3a9x said:I am using Wye Genetics ....
I just weaned a nice heifer by Faxton of Wye and she will be the first heifer I have registered in years...
I have two cows examined safe to Alap of Wye...
I have four cows and have ordered 20 units of Semen from Claymont of Wye who was the leadoff bull in their sale this year...He won't be collected until mid to late summer...
Might use some of this semen on my neighbors commercial heifers.