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Hi there

I'm from a dairyfarm in New Zealand. I'd love to know more about the wagyu (kobe) cattle - anyone seen any or eaten the meat?
also anyone out there who breeds them or has a few on a small holding?
 
hellchick":3r2hltm8 said:
Hi there

I'm from a dairyfarm in New Zealand. I'd love to know more about the wagyu (kobe) cattle - anyone seen any or eaten the meat?

Hello there "HellChick"! Kobe beef is pretty good. Lot's of fat in it.

Have to cook it fast on the grill too!

Wassup with the name? Tell me about it!
 
Had a brisket a couple weeks ago. Best brisket I've ever eaten. Loaded with fat, but the meat was sure flavorful and juicy. I ordered 2 more and Fed Ex delivered them today.
 
MikeC":377m5cvp said:
hellchick":377m5cvp said:
Hi there

I'm from a dairyfarm in New Zealand. I'd love to know more about the wagyu (kobe) cattle - anyone seen any or eaten the meat?

Hello there "HellChick"! Kobe beef is pretty good. Lot's of fat in it.

Have to cook it fast on the grill too!

Wassup with the name? Tell me about it!

Wagyu means "wa" japanese "gyu" beef and kobe beef/cattle are wagyu cattle bred in that district in Japan
 
It's the best beef that I've eaten, we bought an Angus/Wagyu cross from the university and it was good. Their fat has a healthier fatty acid profile, so it's better for you. Australia raised quite a few wagyu cattle for export. I've crossed them with Longhorn and AI's a longhorn/hereford heifer to the fourth best marbling Wagyu bull. The guy that teaches AI at Washington State Univ. is big into promoting Wagyu and I wanted a light birthweight calf so I bought a couple of straws from him.

Hellchick, do a Google search and you'll find quite a few hits on wagyu in Australia.

Bobg
 
la4angus":1djk6ulf said:
Had a brisket a couple weeks ago. Best brisket I've ever eaten. Loaded with fat, but the meat was sure flavorful and juicy. I ordered 2 more and Fed Ex delivered them today.
from where la?
 
lakading":1mlkhq2c said:
I didn't think you could get Waygu semen in the U.S. anymore.
lakading, You can purchase semen on a large genetic base of blood lines from bulls raised here in the states.
 
I know where there are about 9,000 straws of wagyu semen. There are alot of Fullblood here in the states as well. Market seems to be going ostrich right now.
 
I have a neighbor that is using Wagyu bulls. He owns a small packing house and restaurant along the front range in Colorado and plans to retain the cattle throughout. He has about 100 calves out of the Wagyu and nice Angus X cows. The calves are terrible. Frail, small, and light muscled. They averaged about 70 pounds at birth, but had a tremendous amount of calving problems. (I really don't think that was because of the Wagyu bull but I thought it should be mentioned. About 20% of the calves were presented backwards, one leg, head back, etc.) These calves have now been weaned and are on feed. (Weaning ave. about 400 #) They've been on feed for probably 150+ days, and atleast to my eye they haven't gained more than 1 or 2/day. This same neighbor split 100 of the Angus X cows and bred them to Charolais (Weaned at about 650) and they look great in the yard.

He still considers the Wagyu sired calves a good deal, because he thinks he can sell the crap out of them in his restaurant. To me the feed efficiency is going to ruin the deal.
 
care to share the name of the restaurant? :)

i live where you are talking about. ;-)
 
Ultrasound Leads to 'Best Carcasses in World'

MANHATTAN, Kan. — The search for superior beef may have found a solution.

John Brethour, K-State Research and Extension animal scientist, may have discovered a way to produce carcasses of consistent superior quality. Brethour tests ultrasound application in tracking marbling at the K-State Western Kansas Agricultural Research Center in Hays.

"I wanted to apply ultrasound to calculate how many days it will take an animal to go to the next grade," Brethour said. "We are attempting to determine objectively how many days to feed the animal in order to receive the highest price."

Brethour has dedicated nearly 12 years to studying ultrasound. The early experiments attempted to establish equations for measuring backfat in live animals. Once he established different backfat equations for different breeds, he wanted to see if marbling works the same way.

"We have studied ultrasound over the years to tract the development of marbling, since marbling is supposedly the best indication of eating ability," Brethour said. "I wanted to see if the equations for native cattle would hold true for Wagyu cattle or if marbling would differ."



Jim Scott, owner of PrimeLine Genetics, asked Brethour for assistance with his own quest for high quality beef. Scott experimented with Wagyu crosses but needed a better way to select the harvest date.

"We needed to look inside at the carcass while the animals were still alive," Scott said. "K-State and John Brethour gave us the best offer."

In their experiment, Brethour and Scott bred 135 commercial Charolais heifers to six Wagyu purebred bulls from OBBCO Ranch in DeLeon, Texas. From that group, 25 steers were randomly selected to be included in the study, performed at the Agricultural Research Center—Hays.

The results? The cattle graded more than 90 percent prime, in comparison to the national slaughter mix average of less than two percent prime. In addition, the men took six cattle to the 1999 National Western Stock Show (NWSS) for the carcass contest, where they won first place with an unprecedented 100-percent, prime-graded group.

"One judge said this was 'the best set of carcasses I've ever seen in my life,'" Brethour said. "We broke history in Denver with an average quality grade of Prime plus.

Wagyu cattle have been used in the United States before, but they have been bred to cattle known for high marbling. Scott said they thought to bred them to Charolais because Wagyu cattle "have the marbling but needed the growth and efficiency provided by Charolais."

Producers can expect similar results with Wagyu-Charolais crosses, Scott said. In addition to carcass quality, Wagyu cattle also are known for their calving ease due to small-boned, lighter calves. The disadvantage of the breed reverts back to the 60-pound average birth weight.

"When you start with an animal that small, you don't have as good a growth pattern pre-weaning," Scott said. "However, as you go through post-weaning, hybrid vigor kicks in and you end up with animals just as large."

The hybrid vigor in Wagyu crosses is higher due to the new genetics from the Japanese-based breed.

"Wagyu cattle are not related to anything in America, which results in a huge heterosis effect," Scott said.

Will this cross affect the beef industry? Scott says no, not until producers can focus on the end product instead of the cattle's appearance.

"Wagyu cattle are ugly. They are fine-boned, small ended and ugly," Scott said. "Breeds of cattle are still being judged with the eyeball, even though we have EPD's and are using data. Not many cattle producers know what the end product should look like, yet." While Wagyu cattle are not widely accepted by the beef industry, the use of ultrasound to determine the harvest date is increasing in popularity in the industry. Brethour is attempting to polish the technology for practical application.

"Our interest in ultrasound is for upstream commercial operations," Brethour said. "Today we are working with different ultrasound machines to resolve the variation among the machines."

Brethour continues to discover new applications for ultrasound.

"We are currently studying the accuracy of evaluating calves at weaning to predict their potential grade. It's interesting how accurate we can be by evaluating the calves," he said. "We also plan to ultrasound cows to predict the genetic potential of calves she will raise."
Linda Albers
Communications Specialist
K-State Research and Extension John Brethour
Agricultural Research Center-Hays
785-625-3425 Ext. 215
 

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