Bright Raven
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Is a stud bull offered by a Semen company inferior to a bull produced by a local breeder who has been breeding for generations?
The answer to that is a judgement not a TRUTH.
Using an example:
Is red a better color than yellow? If you say red. Is that a truth or a judgment? Most everyone can see that is a judgement.
Ebenezer made this post on another thread. He was advising a User on how to select a bull. Ebenezer, I am focusing on your comment because I think you are a knowledgeable, experienced and well read cattlemen. Your example will help generate a discussion on the question of whether bulls produced by generations of breeding are better than stud semen bulls. You stated:
I'd find a local breeder who has cattle that he had actually bred for multiple generations and raised for more than one dose of AI and find out what works for them and possibly buy a registered bull from him/her. And if you really want to give your kids some education, set up some of the cows for TAI and let a vet or a tech explain and teach them beyond the bull+cow=$.
I think that is a judgement and there are flaws in the concept.
First, it implies that bulls offered via semen sales have not been bred for multiple generations. For example, does that imply that Gardiner Angus Ranch has not bred Angus cattle over long enough period of time to produce as good or better bull than a local breeder?
Second, what "sacred" breeding secret does the local breeder use that a big outfit like Connealy Angus Ranch cannot employ to produce a good bull?
Third, I can go to a lot of local breeders who have been breeding Angus cattle for generations. Poe Angus for example. Guess what herd bull they are using? A Boyd Angus bull.
My point is this. We read on here the two basic practices of breeding for good cattle. One school employs the best genetics available from semen companies. The other school advocates long term breeding over generations. Why is there an assumption that stud bulls whose seman is sold for AI are not "bred for multiple generations" ?
The answer to that is a judgement not a TRUTH.
Using an example:
Is red a better color than yellow? If you say red. Is that a truth or a judgment? Most everyone can see that is a judgement.
Ebenezer made this post on another thread. He was advising a User on how to select a bull. Ebenezer, I am focusing on your comment because I think you are a knowledgeable, experienced and well read cattlemen. Your example will help generate a discussion on the question of whether bulls produced by generations of breeding are better than stud semen bulls. You stated:
I'd find a local breeder who has cattle that he had actually bred for multiple generations and raised for more than one dose of AI and find out what works for them and possibly buy a registered bull from him/her. And if you really want to give your kids some education, set up some of the cows for TAI and let a vet or a tech explain and teach them beyond the bull+cow=$.
I think that is a judgement and there are flaws in the concept.
First, it implies that bulls offered via semen sales have not been bred for multiple generations. For example, does that imply that Gardiner Angus Ranch has not bred Angus cattle over long enough period of time to produce as good or better bull than a local breeder?
Second, what "sacred" breeding secret does the local breeder use that a big outfit like Connealy Angus Ranch cannot employ to produce a good bull?
Third, I can go to a lot of local breeders who have been breeding Angus cattle for generations. Poe Angus for example. Guess what herd bull they are using? A Boyd Angus bull.
My point is this. We read on here the two basic practices of breeding for good cattle. One school employs the best genetics available from semen companies. The other school advocates long term breeding over generations. Why is there an assumption that stud bulls whose seman is sold for AI are not "bred for multiple generations" ?