Brandonm2":1ihzcoxf said:THAT is going to be hard to beat!
Campground Cattle":3giycry8 said:Brandonm2":3giycry8 said:THAT is going to be hard to beat!
Thats my point the price tag on the cow doesn't make it better.
Better breeding by better cattlemen with better management skills make it better. Forgot to add again must have inhaled to many gasoline fumes at work today.
Thats a Vindicator/Braxton Giant cow.
Texas Ranch Man":2vaoorwo said:Hey Beefy, I dont believe Caustic raises Tigers and sells um, he buys them to produce terminal calves. I could be mistaken but from everything I have read on what he posted on the subject I think this is correct. I do the same thing. The problem with raising Tigers to sell is...only the females are worth a premium, and you have to deal with those hard to handle Bhraman Cows. I by the way have only F-1 Tigerstripe Cows, all of which I purchased. They raise one heck of a Calf.
oakcreekfarms":18cvzjz2 said:We tried to feed them that much, never succeeded. We ended up feeding around 10lbs a day per bull. I don't know how that is losing money, if I had the grass I would run pasture year round. Next year we are going to let them run on wheat out west. The genetics that we buy are run out west on wheat and they weigh more then ours. What are your yearling weight like?
oakcreekfarms":2s3wfmry said:NO, these bulls received right at an average of 13lbs of grain daily, and then received prairie hay. The feed we feed in bulk costs $3.5 per 50lbs. Our weaning weights averaged 600lbs including the heifers and steers. I think that is a good weight for just pasture. Our high end was 720lbs and the low end was 500lbs. Where did you get that I stated anything about not cross breeding, of course you should cross breed in a commercial operation. And of course I have to sell mine for more then the commercial man to make a profit, that is all common sense. How about you stick with what you like, and I won't say what you should do for your operation and country. We do things completely different, and that is fine. I agree with very little you say regarding feeding, and the same most likely applies for you about me. Lets just leave it at that
By the way our heifers averaged 883.3 yearling on hay and 4lbs of grain, pretty good growth I would say.
oakcreekfarms":eaof915d said:NO, these bulls received right at an average of 13lbs of grain daily, and then received prairie hay. The feed we feed in bulk costs $3.5 per 50lbs. Our weaning weights averaged 600lbs including the heifers and steers. I think that is a good weight for just pasture. Our high end was 720lbs and the low end was 500lbs. Where did you get that I stated anything about not cross breeding, of course you should cross breed in a commercial operation. And of course I have to sell mine for more then the commercial man to make a profit, that is all common sense. How about you stick with what you like, and I won't say what you should do for your operation and country. We do things completely different, and that is fine. I agree with very little you say regarding feeding, and the same most likely applies for you about me. Lets just leave it at that
By the way our heifers averaged 883.3 yearling on hay and 4lbs of grain, pretty good growth I would say.
Brandonm2":21xwikoa said:I think yall are being too rough on Oak. First of all he is up in the Sandhills of Nebraska NOT sunning himself in Alabama or Southeast Texas. You probably are going to have to develop bulls on grain up there because of the shorter growing season. Ryegrass would be green up there (I am guessing) from only ~March 20 to Thanksgiving and rainfall is a factor too limiting the amount of forage you can stockpile. There has been a big spread for sale advertised recently on the web from up there 15,000 acres and can carry only 1000 cows. ~15 acres to the cow. 500 acres up there will only carry 32 cows at that rate. The easiest way to increase carrying capacity is to feed grain. I think Caustic and everybody else here knows that MOST bulls are grown out on pasture AND GRAIN and many are drylotted and fed mixed ration from the day they are weaned to the day you load them on your truck. I am old school and would prefer a 24 month old bull grown out primarily on a forage program; BUT the important thing is that the bull is grown out. I don't see anything at all wrong with 2.5 lbs a day. Bull weans at 600 lbs. Six months later at 2.5 lbs per day would put him at 1050. By 18 months he should be 1425 (if I did the math right). For commercial bulls, I can't see any need to push one harder than that.