REPLACEMENT HEIFERS! Purchase 'em or Raise 'em?

DOC HARRIS

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When the question comes up in every herd as to whether to purchase the replacement heifers or to raise them from your own cow herd, there are many talking points to consider before being comfortable with your decisions.

If you are thinking about purchasing them you must have a considerable amount of capital on hand immediately, you must know EXACTLY what kind of genetics and phenotype you are going to be working with for many years in the future so as to minimize your mistakes and maximize your future profits. You must carefully investigate their health status, and know the general history of the herd from which they will come. And you can undoubtedly determine factors that are important to your own particular circumstances.

If, on the other hand, you are considering retaining heifers from your own herd genetics, and raising them from calves, you also have some of the same factors to consider. You must CERTAINLY be satisfied with the genetics of which your current cow herd possesses, you must determine if your present management protocols are adequate and sufficient for the raising of strong, healthy future brood cows, and you must determine the same incidental factors as you would for the one's you would purchase.

AND, the difference in COSTS and EXPENSES (if ANY(?)) would certainly be paramount to the satisfactory decision you would make as to whether you would - - RAISE or PURCHASE.

Two weeks ago Lee Leachman, on his DVAuction program on Thursday nights titled "NO BETTER BULL" itemized the expense sheets for Ten Years and arrived at an average for the cost outlay for those ten years for both Purchasing and Raising Replacement Heifers. Naturally, every operation would have different factors to consider because of differing locations, management practices etc., but this was done with a location simulated at a site in the Sandhills of Nebraska for a period of ten years in order to arrive at an average. I won't go into the extensive financial considerations utilized in the study as it would take many, many pages - (probably far more details than most of us would employ!), but here are the conclusions at which they arrived in a nut shell:

Calculated Costs of Developing a 2006 born Preg-Checked Heifer - $1129. ($494 plus her market value of $635 at weaning).

Cost of Purchasing Females ( ten year average ) almost exactly the same dollar amount as raising the heifer, within $3.00 or $4.00.

The conclusion: The decision to raise or buy replacement heifers is "NOT" an economic decision. It is about a wash with respect to costs.

A breeder can run MORE cows when he BUYS replacements.

This factor tips the scales toward "Purchasing" replacements.

There will probably always be discussions back and forth as to which is the most desirable, but the bottom line seems to be - which procedure will result in a better herd down the line, and make more profit?

DOC HARRIS
 
I Think Both Have There Place

Buy - Increasing Your Herd, Want A Return On A Heifer Faster, Price Is Cheap, Different Bloodline, Others

Retain - Genetics You Need, Have No Rush For Return, Have A Top Heifer You Want In Your Herd, Others
 
This is an interesting topic, I have always felt (no paper work)
it`s money saving to purchase cattle. Although it is extremely hard for me to have that special mating and not keep the heifer for replacement. From conception to profit it is 3 yrs. plus before that heifer you have raised has a return.
It`s kinda like the question, is it cost wise to buy your hay, or purchase equipment and produce your own.

It will be interesting to read other comments, on this subject.

blk mule
 
Doc on cost it might be a wash but on profit to the farm it ain't.
I can buy Heavies at 8 months that will have sold two calf's before that retained delivers the first one.
 
Caustic Burno":9aunawg4 said:
I can buy Heavies at 8 months that will have sold two calf's before that retained delivers the first one.

But then that heavy will also leave two years earlier, and your replacement will have 2 calves while that heavy isn't around. Number of calves is a wash, as long as both critters produce the same number of calves in their life.

Rod
 
It's different for registered and commercial breeders. To get a quality heifer that deserves to be in a registered herd, you have to spend almost $2000 - $2500 in the red angus business. If you raise your own, you can wean a 600 - 650 lbs heifer ($600 for weaned heifer + feed, shots, & worming) and have a yearling that you have more confidence in for $1100. I may just be stupid but I have made mistakes from someone else feeding out flaws while I buy an inferior animal.


If you buy your replacements, you're getting middle thirds. In my experience, I can raise better ones than I can buy for my budget. Few cattleman sell their best. Browns & Ludvigsons sell some of their best (I think Browns sells ever 3 year old) but you will spend $3500 to get them.

For my money in the registered business, AI or buy a good bull and improve your herd through keeping your elite females.

Has anyone else bought an animal and asked themselves, "what did I buy her for"?
 
now that is a good question.you have to hav 3 things to retain your own heifers.1 is the best genetics from your cow herd an bull battery.2 you must have extra pastures set aside for heifers.3 you must have time an money to raise them right.i can buy top reg heifers as cheap as i can raise them.heres some reg beefmaster bred heifer prices that i was just quated a few days ago a 2004 bred heifer $2000 2004 bred heifer $1600 2004 cow $2000.on those 3 head i just told you the ave price is $1866 a hd.or on 11hd ave price is $1671 a hd ave.now mind you they all reg beefmasters.i can buy replacements cheaper than i can raise them.
 
redangus":1at8m187 said:
Has anyone else bought an animal and asked themselves, "what did I buy her for"?

We bought some replacement heifers and bred them that are now 3 year olds. The boughten heifers aren't half the cows that our home raised stuff is because they are the "middle third" you talked of. These boughten heifers came out of the lot in our backgrounding operation and looked real good at the time, but as they grew and calved out they just weren't phenotypically or geneticly equivalent to what our selection standards have gotten us to.
 
I agree with Jake. IF you are fortunate enough to have a herd of females that have been on YOUR property for 15, 20, 30, even 40 years and you have been making money and getting good production numbers all that time, I would not even consider bringing in outside heifers. If everything else is equal I would much rather have 20 half sibs out of 20 known and proven cows that were half sibs; than 20 unrelated heifers from 5 or 6 different sources.
 
Jake":2awxk8ze said:
redangus":2awxk8ze said:
Has anyone else bought an animal and asked themselves, "what did I buy her for"?

We bought some replacement heifers and bred them that are now 3 year olds. The boughten heifers aren't half the cows that our home raised stuff is because they are the "middle third" you talked of. These boughten heifers came out of the lot in our backgrounding operation and looked real good at the time, but as they grew and calved out they just weren't phenotypically or geneticly equivalent to what our selection standards have gotten us to.
your right ive done it both way's and retaining my own genetics has given me my best cows what percentage would you say that your bull selection has influenced your herd over the years to date?
 
I think the "buy or raise replacement" argument all depends on the individual,and his circumstance,home grown feed, weather,location, how/when/where that individual markets cattle,lots of shades of grey in that argument,this year may be the best time to buy,next year may be the best time to raise.
I havent bought heifers in awhile,prices are to high and weathers to dry.
My way of aquiring replacements is keeping my calving season short,weaning early,and backgrounding all calves to about 7 or 8 weight,adding value along the way,vacinations/banding/ivomecing etc. always looking for heifer calves that are outstanding.
When it comes time to market my steers/heifers,the heifer calves that look like they will make cows get kept back,if I need more I buy them from a reputable source..............good luck
PS I realize this wont work for everyone,just my way,not saying it is the best way.
 
With Herefords the cows or replacements that I would want would cost me around $3000 for yearlings. The cows that I really want would run $5000. Therefore I am buying older cows with good records, breeding to good known and respected bulls, and then keeping all females and culling based off of performance. Usually I can get into some of these older females for around $2000
 
DiamondSCattleCo":11p1grdw said:
Caustic Burno":11p1grdw said:
I can buy Heavies at 8 months that will have sold two calf's before that retained delivers the first one.

But then that heavy will also leave two years earlier, and your replacement will have 2 calves while that heavy isn't around. Number of calves is a wash, as long as both critters produce the same number of calves in their life.

Rod
No it is not I have never put two years welfare into an unproven commodity.
 
Caustic, whats the point in having tigerstripes if you arent going to develop them out to sell as replacements or keep them? isnt that where all the money in tigerstripes is?
 
DiamondSCattleCo":3i5bfg03 said:
Caustic Burno":3i5bfg03 said:
I can buy Heavies at 8 months that will have sold two calf's before that retained delivers the first one.

But then that heavy will also leave two years earlier, and your replacement will have 2 calves while that heavy isn't around. Number of calves is a wash, as long as both critters produce the same number of calves in their life.

Rod

He wont have paid for the two years to get her there though.
 
when a producer sales heifers and keeps some back himself i often wonder how much more money it would actually take to buy his upper end. thats alot in how i look at my replacement value. i have a good idea about her udder and teats how they should hold up her fertility, her legs and feet got a decent idea of how long she will be a producer
 
oakcreekfarms":3kausm8a said:
With Herefords the cows or replacements that I would want would cost me around $3000 for yearlings. The cows that I really want would run $5000. Therefore I am buying older cows with good records, breeding to good known and respected bulls, and then keeping all females and culling based off of performance. Usually I can get into some of these older females for around $2000


Well your shopping in the wrong place I can buy 3 n 1's all day long for 2000 bucks from one of the largest and oldest Polled Hereford operation in Texas. Have been running polled since the 1920's.
 
I agree with Caustic that that is a good way to run a commercial herd.

However, I like to breed up my own cattle and get a kick out of successful heifers as they enter the herd. I add No outside animals, our bulls come from our better cows via AI.

There may be an advantage in disease control, as I see a lot of people talking about BVD and Lepto on here and we vaccinate them as calves, but, that is the last time they get anything but IVO pouron generic the rest of their life.

It does cost money to develop heifers, but we are pretty happy with what we end up with. :)
 
ALACOWMAN":1kk59ljy said:
Jake":1kk59ljy said:
redangus":1kk59ljy said:
Has anyone else bought an animal and asked themselves, "what did I buy her for"?

We bought some replacement heifers and bred them that are now 3 year olds. The boughten heifers aren't half the cows that our home raised stuff is because they are the "middle third" you talked of. These boughten heifers came out of the lot in our backgrounding operation and looked real good at the time, but as they grew and calved out they just weren't phenotypically or geneticly equivalent to what our selection standards have gotten us to.
your right ive done it both way's and retaining my own genetics has given me my best cows what percentage would you say that your bull selection has influenced your herd over the years to date?

bull selection has influenced our herd maybe 10-25% your herd is built in your heifers and your cows. We AI breed our top 10-15 cows every year then keep the resulting bull calves uncut until weaning when we evaluate them to see if they meet our strict criteria to become herd bulls. Very rarely do we buy a bull, but even so our foundation is built in the females and I want to know EXACTLY what is behind those heifers.
 
KMacGinley":eazxrqkn said:
I agree with Caustic that that is a good way to run a commercial herd.

However, I like to breed up my own cattle and get a kick out of successful heifers as they enter the herd. I add No outside animals, our bulls come from our better cows via AI.

There may be an advantage in disease control, as I see a lot of people talking about BVD and Lepto on here and we vaccinate them as calves, but, that is the last time they get anything but IVO pouron generic the rest of their life.

It does cost money to develop heifers, but we are pretty happy with what we end up with. :)

Thats the way we usually do it Kmac.. same way. I keep my herd pretty much contained, no outside influences, and we are real happy with our resluts.
 

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