Got a call last night from an old friend, that has a very nice Highbrow Hickory bay stallion, and has about 20 cutting bred mares. He sells the weanlings every year...most sold at birth. 2020 he didn't sell them all, and he had a nice colt that was cryptorchid, so he had to geld him. He called because he has started the colt and feels like it has potential for reined cowhorse, and wanted to know if I would come to his place (about 10 miles away) and work with him and see what I thought. He is also the breeding manager, their AI tech... for a large Charolais operation. Apparently, they had, or have, a couple of 6 figure cows they have been flushing and raising the calves off of recip cows. 16 of them, 1 is half Brown Swiss and half Braunveih, and the rest 3/4 Braunvieh and 1/4 Brown Swiss , He said the youngest is 10-11 yrs old and the oldest about 14-15. I asked why they used those cows, and he said they like the recip to raise the caves, and a pure dairy cow doesn't work out for them. Too much milk unless they also milked it, and too much udder problems.. so that is why they like the Braunvieh crosses.
Anyway, to get to the point, he said they were done flushing these 2 donor cows, and the calves were going to be weaned last of November or 1st of December, when ever each calf is 200 something days old. I think he said 205 or 210...I don't remember. He said those recip cows weigh 1500-1700, and they were going to take them to the sale after all the caves were weaned, and sell them as weigh cows. These cows are open. He said they figured about .40 cents a pound, so they' d get $600 to $680 each, figured averageing $650..or about $10k. He said " If you want them I'd take $9k." I said if I thought they could breed and have another calf, I would breed them to a Brahma and try for some nice replacement heifers, and THEN take them to the sale. I told him I was about done with cows...just gonna buy and sell, but if he would take $500 each I would think about it. I was just kidding really. I don't think I would want to risk $8k on them. We then spent about another hour talking about cutting horses and the election.
Well this morning. he called me back. He said tell ya what I will do. You work that colt and get him ready to compete, and I will sell you those cows for $6k! I will AI them with sexed polled Brahma semen for you. I am tempted, but have some questions and need some opinions. I guess he is going to pay the owners the other $3k..I didn't ask. For $3k, he could send the colt to a winning, professional cutting horse/reining trainer for 4 months, but for some reason he wants me to work the horse.
These cows calved in April and May, and weren't bred back. Reckon it has been too long for them to breed back now? Reckon a 15 year old Brown Swiss cross can even conceive and raise a calf? He says he can get them all bred and they will have heifers. Now he is like me...a horse trader and bass fishermen, and we may sometimes "embellish the narrative" a bit.
I figure if 75% of them take, I am looking at 12 calves. If 80% of them are heifers, I am looking at 9-10 heifers...best case scenario. Today I know I could get $1000-$1200 for a Brahma x Braunvieh/Brown Swiss heifer, but don't know what they would bring in 2024.
I called the man I found the 80 Brahma heifers for to see if he wanted them, because I really don't have a pasture for them up here, and sold most of my hay already except for a few square bales I kept for my horses. He said no, but I could bring them down there...he has plenty of pasture and hay. The cows are 100% healthy. they are vetted and vaccinated, etc., the same as their high-dollar cows are. I told him I had to let the man know this week, and he said: "Al, I am going to go ahead and send you the $5k I am going to pay you for buying that Brahma herd Monday". Damn it!! Starting after the 15th, I will be going down to quail and rabbit hunt about every weekend, and his place is about 15 minutes out of my way, on the way down. so I can carry those cows down there one weekend after he gets them ,AI'ed.
So, tie up $6k, plus my time working the horse ( which is the best part of the deal for me...this is what I LOVE to do) for 18 mos, to maybe get a $9k return? I mean, hell, might get 16 $1000 heifers, but I doubt it. And I could still sell those cows for whatever they'd bring after weaning in 2024.
Are the cows too old? What would YOU do? Y'all talk me out of it! LOL
Anyway, to get to the point, he said they were done flushing these 2 donor cows, and the calves were going to be weaned last of November or 1st of December, when ever each calf is 200 something days old. I think he said 205 or 210...I don't remember. He said those recip cows weigh 1500-1700, and they were going to take them to the sale after all the caves were weaned, and sell them as weigh cows. These cows are open. He said they figured about .40 cents a pound, so they' d get $600 to $680 each, figured averageing $650..or about $10k. He said " If you want them I'd take $9k." I said if I thought they could breed and have another calf, I would breed them to a Brahma and try for some nice replacement heifers, and THEN take them to the sale. I told him I was about done with cows...just gonna buy and sell, but if he would take $500 each I would think about it. I was just kidding really. I don't think I would want to risk $8k on them. We then spent about another hour talking about cutting horses and the election.
Well this morning. he called me back. He said tell ya what I will do. You work that colt and get him ready to compete, and I will sell you those cows for $6k! I will AI them with sexed polled Brahma semen for you. I am tempted, but have some questions and need some opinions. I guess he is going to pay the owners the other $3k..I didn't ask. For $3k, he could send the colt to a winning, professional cutting horse/reining trainer for 4 months, but for some reason he wants me to work the horse.
These cows calved in April and May, and weren't bred back. Reckon it has been too long for them to breed back now? Reckon a 15 year old Brown Swiss cross can even conceive and raise a calf? He says he can get them all bred and they will have heifers. Now he is like me...a horse trader and bass fishermen, and we may sometimes "embellish the narrative" a bit.
I figure if 75% of them take, I am looking at 12 calves. If 80% of them are heifers, I am looking at 9-10 heifers...best case scenario. Today I know I could get $1000-$1200 for a Brahma x Braunvieh/Brown Swiss heifer, but don't know what they would bring in 2024.
I called the man I found the 80 Brahma heifers for to see if he wanted them, because I really don't have a pasture for them up here, and sold most of my hay already except for a few square bales I kept for my horses. He said no, but I could bring them down there...he has plenty of pasture and hay. The cows are 100% healthy. they are vetted and vaccinated, etc., the same as their high-dollar cows are. I told him I had to let the man know this week, and he said: "Al, I am going to go ahead and send you the $5k I am going to pay you for buying that Brahma herd Monday". Damn it!! Starting after the 15th, I will be going down to quail and rabbit hunt about every weekend, and his place is about 15 minutes out of my way, on the way down. so I can carry those cows down there one weekend after he gets them ,AI'ed.
So, tie up $6k, plus my time working the horse ( which is the best part of the deal for me...this is what I LOVE to do) for 18 mos, to maybe get a $9k return? I mean, hell, might get 16 $1000 heifers, but I doubt it. And I could still sell those cows for whatever they'd bring after weaning in 2024.
Are the cows too old? What would YOU do? Y'all talk me out of it! LOL