ALACOWMAN
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that mezcan needs to concentrate on his own country...
you been eating way to much hatersalad :cowboy:highgrit":2edf1dv2 said:Medicare, and Social Security is for our senior citizens. Most have worked their whole lives and paid into the system.
It's the low life, dirt ball, scumbag, freeloader that's ruined this country. We should take better care of our senior citizens than we do. But we don't have the money, because the dirt ball, scumbag, free loaders are getting free phones, and welfare and they haven't paid a dime into the system, and are just breeding more. It's the liberals fault. :2cents:
highgrit":3r4tyjz3 said:Medicare, and Social Security is for our senior citizens. Most have worked their whole lives and paid into the system.
MO_cows":16g523o2 said:For some people, a phone is a lifeline, and I don't begrudge anyone who needs it having one at other's expense. But like it usually happens, a well intentioned and worthwhile little government program has spun out of control. If they cross check their database and only provide one phone per household, maybe that would weed out some abuse. Even if some people are milking it for a free ride, I don't want to take it away from the Pegs of the world.
Congress spends way more on beverage service, their private cafeteria and health club, and a lot of other "perks" than what these phones cost I bet.
Thanks to keysbottles for the mini history lesson. I will correctly call it a Reaganphone from now on. It will make my sister do a spit-take, can't wait!
To participate in the program, consumers must either have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines or participate in one of the following assistance programs:
•Medicaid;
•Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps or SNAP);
•Supplemental Security Income (SSI);
•Federal Public House Assistance (Section 8);
•Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP);
•Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF);
•National School Lunch Program's Free Lunch Program;
•Bureau of Indian Affairs General Assistance;
•Tribally-Administrered Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TTANF);
•Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations (FDPIR);
•Head Start (if income eligibility criteria are met); or
•State assistance programs (if applicable).
No way a movie can capture the essence of the book. READ IT. But not if you are a socialist because you would find it too upsetting.Workinonit Farm":11uka4dc said:Ouachita":11uka4dc said:Katherine, don't make me google it; what is "Galt"? Forgive by ignorant hillbilliness
From the book "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. Which is now a movie, in 2 parts, which I have not seen. Excellent book!
John Galt is one of the characters in the book. Essentially,the book is about what happens when the people who 'keep things rolling', the job creators, the railroads, airlines, corporations, etc "stop" doing what they are doing. They get fed up with all the unionization, the demands, the attitudes of entitlement and the new laws that "punish" them---fine them---force them to "give" more to the people. They see that it failed in so many other countries that became "The people's republic of England, The people's republic of France etc. And the one guy, John Galt, manages to get together with all these men of industry, innovators, inventors etc and these guys "disappear". Where they go is a very out-of-the-way place here in the US and basically start all over while the rest of the USA (and the world for that matter) implodes because it was now left up to the takers and the leeches and the parasites to "get things done".
That's it in a nutshell. The book was written in the 1940's I believe. I got it for Christmas last year and read it last winter. What happened in that book, is happening now in other countries and starting to happen here, a welfare state.
I hope that explained it? Maybe?
Katherine
Bigfoot":3ko2n1wh said:If the government took away these programs we would have to take turns sleeping. You wouldn't be safe no matter what you did. A family 5 generations deep in handouts would never work. They would steal. -------------------toeing the politics line here. They are buying support on both ends. The top and the bottom. Who really pays, and who really suffers. I'm all for helping handicapped people. Giving elderly people back what they worked for. Why give anybody else anything.
cow pollinater":2isdp4kx said:I am compassionate. I HATE watching anyone go without. I think that the poor should be fed, I think that the elderly and the disabled should have access to a phone that they can use to call help in case of an emergency, I think that women that have kids that wind up with a loser husband who won't support any of them should get all the help they need to raise the family...
My problem comes when the help comes from the government instead of face to face interaction where people with the means to solve problems meet the needy. Any other system will lead to corruption. Once the government get's involved, the burden get's placed blindly on everyone who pays in and it makes it to easy for people who want to help to rely on "the system" to solve problems that are right in front of their eye's.
I myself find that I get to where I ignore real need thinking that I've already paid the tax to solve need but that system doesn't work. We have to pay into the broken system or go to jail for tax evasion. If we are willing to solve need ABOVE AND BEYOND what we are already being taxed for and applied it where it would do real good, we'd put the government out of business.
cow pollinater":2o7sbl9d said:I am compassionate. I HATE watching anyone go without. I think that the poor should be fed, I think that the elderly and the disabled should have access to a phone that they can use to call help in case of an emergency, I think that women that have kids that wind up with a loser husband who won't support any of them should get all the help they need to raise the family...
My problem comes when the help comes from the government instead of face to face interaction where people with the means to solve problems meet the needy. Any other system will lead to corruption. Once the government get's involved, the burden get's placed blindly on everyone who pays in and it makes it to easy for people who want to help to rely on "the system" to solve problems that are right in front of their eye's.
I myself find that I get to where I ignore real need thinking that I've already paid the tax to solve need but that system doesn't work. We have to pay into the broken system or go to jail for tax evasion. If we are willing to solve need ABOVE AND BEYOND what we are already being taxed for and applied it where it would do real good, we'd put the government out of business.