NonTypicalCPA":3pruexg3 said:Ok here's some more info on this guy.
Birth weight - 76
Weaning weight - 412
205 day weight - 599
Yearling weight - 823
365 day weight - 839
Scrotal circumference at 555 days - 32.0
This breed is pretty close to the same size as my belties.
NonTypicalCPA":2txf2l38 said:I'm hoping that the shortcomings of the wagyu breed will be offset by the combination of the beltie breed and heterosis. It will be an educational experience either way.
NonTypicalCPA":2txf2l38 said:My bull is full blood. He started life as a $1,300 embryo transfer. Here is some info and on his sire.
Sire: Hirashigetayasu 001, has amongst the highest EBVs for growth and milk from the predominantly Kedaka bloodline. An official Japanese progeny test showed that at least 80 percent of his steers would gain A5 grade, the highest given to carcasses in Japan.
Great information. I wonder if Dairies would benefit more by going one round of sexed semen for replacements and then just letting live beef bulls do the work after that. Most beef bulls are no where near as hard to handle as a jersey bull which is why many don't want them around.gaurus":3uqwgyl9 said:Some more info on the Limousine/Jersey cross(called BeefBuilders), which is basically what I am advising, Massive continental line crossed to a exceptionally marbling line and while Wagyu and Jersey are different breeds, they have very simmilar traits, like they just don't put on muscles and they both marble very very good(tender and low melting point IMF)
https://www.agweb.com/article/beef-gene ... t-bechtel/
Most Dairies today use sexed semen for replacement on Top Top performer cows, the trend now is to use AI on mid-bottom performers and sell day old feeders, what some companies like wulf are doing is using specialized bulls(Top dollar metrics and hide color) like a Limflex(at least 75% Limousin and homozygous for black hide), they purchase the feeders from the dairies as soon as possible and send them to calf ranches. strait Jersey bull calves are basically worthless, the F1s of this cross earn top dollars.Cdcollett":1ep07iya said:I wonder if Dairies would benefit more by going one round of sexed semen for replacements and then just letting live beef bulls do the work after that. Most beef bulls are no where near as hard to handle as a jersey bull which is why many don't want them around.
Cdcollett":1ep07iya said:Also, does anyone have access to performance tables like that link has on the Jersey vs Jersey cross but with the Waygu vs the waygu cross vs the straight angus or other breed?
Stickney94 said:Sorry to reply to an old thread -- but for those interested -- Our tiny operation began crossing Wagyu with full-blood Angus in 2016. We harvested our first calves (born in 2017) this past Jan/Feb. They were 21-22 months of age. In this case our first crop were all heifers. Two were out of Hoover Dam daughters and one was from a large framed commercial cow (she's easily 1700 lbs).
The two F1s from the Hoover Dam daughters were slaughtered at 1,376 and 1,386 lbs. A discerning cattleperson would probably have have been able to pick them out in their peer group, but it would have been more difficult than you might guess. The HD influence greatly improved their rump silhoutte. They had just a bit less rib and depth. And their leg bone was just a hair thinner than others.
The 3rd F1 from the large commercial cow was from birth tiny and always lagged behind in size/muscle etc. By slaughter she was at least fat and weighed 1,215 lbs.
With that said, we pride ourselves on raising high quality beef for direct to consumer buyers. So was the Wagyu cross leaps and bounds better? No, not exactly. But as my brother said, that's because your angus beef is already so good. The wagyu cross has some really interesting buttery qualities. Our customers have liked it very much and are willing to pay a premium for it.
The interesting thing from my perspective -- the 3rd F1 that was always runty and small -- yeah, noticeably the best tasting animal of the 3 crosses. Hands down.
This next year we are creating a pen of the smaller crosses and shooting for later slaughter (24-26 months) just to see if that changes anything. Fullblood wagyu often get harvested at 30+months.
Again, sorry for resurrecting an old thread.
LOLStickney94 said:The interesting thing from my perspective -- the 3rd F1 that was always runty and small -- yeah,
noticeably the best tasting animal of the 3 crosses. Hands down.
There you go, good thinking.Stickney94 said:If you do opt for Wagyu, I'd recommend buying a jersey cow or two.
They make the Wagyus look thick by comparison, haha.
Stickney94 With that said said:How much of a premium do you need to get to cover the increased cost of producing a Wagyu F1 ?
The results of 1 DNA study of crossbred cattle has always stuck with me.Jeanne - Simme Valley said:Ugly = better --- More "breed characteristics" being passed on to offspring???