Cattle Pricing

[CG1]

you dont even have a clue, farmer really, you have pets, auctions are cruel, I doubt you have even been to one, you just come on here to promote your idiotic ideas, wait tell your generation takes over, lol, you dont even have a clue, and that's the sad part of it, but keep on cheerleading.


Amen

Been to one? Who do you think picks up all the dead calves you savages leave behind? I do. Pets? I do have pets. Those are the ones that you left behind almost dead with an empty belly at one day old. I grabbed those ones. Why? Because I actually have a moral compass and I'm lucky enough to have actually earned really money in my life to be able to actually farm. Not abuse animals for a living.

 

[CG1]

Auctions need to be banned because they are cruel. It's barbaric and it's takes zero consideration into animal welfare. I am a farmer not an animal abuser.

But I love the whole socialism doesn't work here. Well keep doing what y'all are doing because it sure is working for ya haha. (That sarcasm, you can also google that term)

With all due respect ma'am, I just haven't seen that here in America. I have been to several cattle auctions in TX, NY, IA, and IN. All have had water and hay available to the cattle. I have yet to witness anyone beating on the cattle. That would just be bad for business wouldn't it? I'm not saying it never happens, but I believe it's rare and not the norm. More cattle get mistreated at their "home" than at an auction I suspect, and i still think that is pretty rare; as the majority of cattle producers genuinely enjoy and value their cattle. I don't see what's cruel or barbaric about walking an animal through a ring, in front of a crowd of people potentially interested in purchasing said animal, and returning it to a holding pen to await load out.

If you haven't seen it then you need to look harder.

 

[CG1]

Auctions need to be banned because they are cruel. It's barbaric and it's takes zero consideration into animal welfare. I am a farmer not an animal abuser.

But I love the whole socialism doesn't work here. Well keep doing what y'all are doing because it sure is working for ya haha. (That sarcasm, you can also google that term)

El Rio, Oklahoma had 13,300 head this week. Where would they go or what would they be worth without an auction. I need several calves next week. How would I know who was selling without an auction? I respect your opinion but don't think you understand the real world.

The "real world" you guys keep referring to is the problem. What you have convinced yourself is ok and humane and what needs to be done is the problem. There are so many better ways we could come up with to manage this.

There is a reason why my farm business is so busy I have to sell tickets to let people in. Consumers want ethical practices and very very very few people on this board even understand what ethical means. So many have of you have completely lost touch with the fact that a life is a life.

And I rest my case. You do you and ill just keep doing me.

 

[kenny thomas]

I'm going to bet that I handle cattle more humane than 95% of cattlemen. It's partially because I do every thing by myself.
How do you propose people sell thousands of cattle each week if there are no markets.

 

[haase]

Kenny, don't even bother with that one, I think pee wee herman has a place like that, you know selling tickets and all.

 

[kenny thomas]

Kenny, don't even bother with that one, I think pee wee herman has a place like that, you know selling tickets and all.

Your correct. But it bothers me that people think all cattle are abused. Mine are spoiled if anything. I catch, tag, Inforce 3, and band every calf that needs it and my cows just watch. They know I'm not going to hurt the calf.

 

[Caustic Burno]

The hardest part to direct marketing is supplying a consistent product in sufficient quantity. Particularly if you are trying to supply local butcher shops. Hamburger is easy to produce, it is the high choice and better steaks that they may sell 100 or more of a day that become the issue. When that guy disappoints a paying customer he starts looking for another supplier.

On an individual level they still want a quality and consistent product. There will always be the Wal Mart wonders out there and you won't make money on them. They are trying to get as many cigarettes, tanks of gas and tattoos as they can out of what is already a small paycheck. Keeping their groceries cheap is the only way they get those things. You are looking to sell to the social group above that and so you need a product above that for making money. In the middle is a lot of hard working folks doing what they can to feed the best they can to their family. Educating and establishing working relationships with this group is the key to success. They will pay the little bit of premium you need to make the money work but you have to be able to explain why there is that premium.

There is a place in this business for all of us. Direct marketing doesn't fit every animal you have as a small producer or the guy with 1200 head as a general rule. Does the playing field need to be leveled a little bit, absolutely. However the system we have has evolved because it works. Now it is getting out of balance and it doesn't. So it will be tweaked and adjusted until it does again. Take the opportunity you have to explain to the public how the system works. Show them a better quality product when they come looking for it out of necessity or explain why it is you have no product to share. You want the playing field level grab a rake and start moving dirt.

The butcher shop has changed dramatically since I went through the apprenticeship. The butcher shop was breaking down sides and quarters.
All cuts had to be sold from ribeye to hamburger.
Many cuts have disappeared from today's meat counter as today the market orders boxed beef from loin to hamburger, this includes pork and chicken.
I haven't seen fresh cut fryers in years.

 

[haase]

Kenny, don't even bother with that one, I think pee wee herman has a place like that, you know selling tickets and all.

Your correct. But it bothers me that people think all cattle are abused. Mine are spoiled if anything. I catch, tag, Inforce 3, and band every calf that needs it and my cows just watch. They know I'm not going to hurt the calf.

I know exactly what you're saying, what's the point of having cattle, if you don't take care of them the best you can, its like any thing else in life, just some folks will never have a clue.

 

[Aaron]

What is that song?..Daddies don't let your little girls grow up to be socialists...