Cattle Pricing

[Lucky]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CBQ9dLzeY5I

In case everyone hasn't seen this already.

 

[BobbyLummus1]

Amen ..God damn disgrace

 

[jltrent]

Listen to the complete video. I agree if the pricing system does not change we are screwed. Pricing needs to be based off retail as he says. Foreign beef needs to be labeled as such.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

If primals and lean meat were publicly traded like pork bellies, and pork loins are, we might see a different end result.

 

[CG1]

A price floor needs to be set. There needs to be a system similar to dairy in Canada. Set numbers to produce. Prices that cant be sold beneath and prices that cant be sold over. It's also significantly better for animal welfare which is what I care about most. The labelling thing surprises me and I am not sure how it works it Canada but I do see beef labelled as Australian etc. Not sure if we mark US beef Canadian. But I also think livestock auctions should be banned in general... :roll:

 

[Dave]

A price floor needs to be set. There needs to be a system similar to dairy in Canada. Set numbers to produce. Prices that cant be sold beneath and prices that cant be sold over.

Socialism doesn't work so well in America. Set number that a farmer or rancher are allowed to produce. op:

But I also think livestock auctions should be banned in general... :roll:

You don't have a clue how the real world works do you?

 

[jltrent]

I would hate to see our local livestock auctions gone. Then we would be trucking cattle possibly100 s of miles on contacts that they will pick and cut the cattle to death and then say take it or leave it and I am talking about good cattle. If it comes down to it limit the number one can sell and a price should be tied to retail. Also foreign beef should be label as such. Input cost are the killer and most farmers could survive on maybe a 50% increase (example go from $1 a lb to a $1.50)

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Everyone grasping for solutions to a problem that only exists because we have a loud the same old same old to go on unchecked.
No government program can save us, we will have to save our self.

 

[Ky hills]

Everyone grasping for solutions to a problem that only exists because we have a loud the same old same old to go on unchecked.
No government program can save us, we will have to save our self.

Well said, I agree that a long term government program is not a good solution but I really do believe that some of the government policies have helped to get us in this mess and thus there is a need for some changing of existing policies so that they don't favor particular parts of the agriculture industry. In my estimation that is what has led to most of the problems we face as cattle producers.

 

[HDRider]

Everyone grasping for solutions to a problem that only exists because we have a loud the same old same old to go on unchecked.
No government program can save us, we will have to save our self.

Sim, I have pondered this intently. I am at a loss.

How do we save ourselves?

I have one viable market, and it is on its knees right now.

Seriously, How?

 

[jltrent]

The US has less than 10% of the total cattle inventory. As long as imports are cheaper we will either have to survive with less or hang it up cattle farmers have no leverage. I see a lot of people hanging it up in the next few years. They want be missed either as the burning of the rain forest will add a lot more cheap cattle 4-sale. Kinda pizzes you off though what store prices are compared to what the producer gets who have more time, and just about everything else involve than anybody else. How in heck does India have that many cattle and how do they feed them? I bet some other countries retail beef is not near as high. All the free food handout money here have caused the retail to be high and it has not equated to help the producer. Go to the stores and watch who gets the buggies full of meat and what they pay for it with. If I don't grow it I very seldom buy it.

 

[HDRider]

The US has less than 10% of the total cattle inventory. As long as imports are cheaper we will either have to survive with less or hang it up. I see a lot hanging it up in the very short next few years. They want be missed either as the burning of the rain forest will add a lot more cattle 4-sale.

Part of the climate change attack plan to to remove carbon contribution for developed countries and move it to developing countries (the real purpose of this is to move wealth around, money is made tearing things down, and building things up).

I am becoming convinced that our government wants Ag to move totally offshore. All the evidence, which grows every day, points to that. There is no other viable explanation

Moving Ag, moves power, and it moves carbon production.

Brazil is not a developed country. Though it has several characteristics of one, including the largest economy in South America or Central America, Brazil is still considered as developing due to its low GDP per capita, low living standards, high infant mortality rate, and other factors.

Argentina is a developing country, even though it ranks higher than the vast majority of non-developed countries in most metrics.

China is not a developed country. Despite having the world's second-largest economy and third-largest military, China is still not classified as a developed country. The biggest reason: the country's per capita GDP remains below any accepted minimum threshold for developed-country status

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/

 

[Aaron]

A price floor needs to be set. There needs to be a system similar to dairy in Canada. Set numbers to produce. Prices that cant be sold beneath and prices that cant be sold over.

Socialism doesn't work so well in America. Set number that a farmer or rancher are allowed to produce. op:

But I also think livestock auctions should be banned in general... :roll:

You don't have a clue how the real world works do you?

What is really rich is she doesn't even make her living running cattle, yet she wants to dictate how many I have and how I sell them.

Beware the commies.

 

[Lucky]

I'm with everyone on the locally sourced and sold beef and think it would work. My question is were are these local cattle going to be fed until they are at killing weight? Feedlots don't work just anywhere. Most would still be selling at weening size or backgrounding for 60 days before going to a bigger operation to finish them. I just don't see a huge benefit to the avg producer. I'm not being negative just wondering how it would work.

 

[CG1]

A price floor needs to be set. There needs to be a system similar to dairy in Canada. Set numbers to produce. Prices that cant be sold beneath and prices that cant be sold over.

Socialism doesn't work so well in America. Set number that a farmer or rancher are allowed to produce. op:

But I also think livestock auctions should be banned in general... :roll:

You don't have a clue how the real world works do you?

I don't have a clue how the real world works? Ok big man. A price floor and ceiling is not a socialism concept. I think you likely need to google what socialism means before you use words you don't understand. Bets are you can't wrap your head around the concept. I live in the current world and luckily for most, my generations thinking will take over the next round.

 

[CG1]

Auctions need to be banned because they are cruel. It's barbaric and it's takes zero consideration into animal welfare. I am a farmer not an animal abuser.

But I love the whole socialism doesn't work here. Well keep doing what y'all are doing because it sure is working for ya haha. (That sarcasm, you can also google that term)

 

[littletom]

No auctions. Where do the cull cows go? The prolapse, cow won't breed back, calves with a eye knocked out. Lead them over the hill put in hole, then what does hamburger cost?
You do not want a quota, and price support system! Talk to a tobacco farmer thats been on both sides of that. I know a few.

 

[Ky hills]

I'm with everyone on the locally sourced and sold beef and think it would work. My question is were are these local cattle going to be fed until they are at killing weight? Feedlots don't work just anywhere. Most would still be selling at weening size or backgrounding for 60 days before going to a bigger operation to finish them. I just don't see a huge benefit to the avg producer. I'm not being negative just wondering how it would work.

Lucky, those are valid observations, and I don't know how to make it work either, especially with the the current model everything just looks so bleak. I know there are a lot of factors at play, but it seems to me that if we could start to market locally then the other aspects may follow. Currently I don't know of any feedlots in our state but if there began to be a legitimate and sizable localized market then it may be enticing for some to start up, there is grain being grown in parts of the state. We had a small USDA inspected slaughter house open up a couple counties over a few years ago. They have since gotten in with the state Cattlemen's association in processing pound cows for hamburger to sell at grocery stores in the state. So I'm sure that a market for cuts of meat from feeder cattle could be worked through a similar model somehow. I think a lot of the key to change is to break up the monopolies, and to allow individual producers to sell direct to individuals or businesses.

 

[Ky hills]

No auctions. Where do the cull cows go? The prolapse, cow won't breed back, calves with a eye knocked out. Lead them over the hill put in hole, then what does hamburger cost?
You do not want a quota, and price support system! Talk to a tobacco farmer thats been on both sides of that. I know a few.

I agree, suctions are vital for farmers and ranchers. Even in a scenario where there was significant direct sales there would still be a need for livestock auctions. There has to be a means to market cull cattle as well as for backgrounders and feeders to find calves.

 

[HDRider]

I'm with everyone on the locally sourced and sold beef and think it would work. My question is were are these local cattle going to be fed until they are at killing weight? Feedlots don't work just anywhere. Most would still be selling at weening size or backgrounding for 60 days before going to a bigger operation to finish them. I just don't see a huge benefit to the avg producer. I'm not being negative just wondering how it would work.

Lucky,
I have been beating my head on the local beef problem. The feeder issue we can solve. I have guys lined up to feed out in numbers of 100 to 200 each. And many folks would do it. The problem I am running into is selling. Getting stores to carry it is hard. Selling direct in meat stores seems even harder. Retailers are married to the way they are setup now.

This is a tough nut to crack.

I have been going back and forth on FB with a young lady who advocates for the big packers. She is very well informed and a talented communicator. She defends their every move. I just do not think we can win against the big boys. They are too well funded, too well organized, too entrenched and too powerful.