don't know how much luck you would have with the bull's .would they be registerd? and the majority want solid color, red white faced. that will kill one quick but the heifer's should sell goodTexasSimmentals":1jb3ftvf said:Yes we do keep some of the heifers as replacements, and by the way just F.Y.I. we don't cut our bull calves. . . .and the "colored" calves seem to sell pretty well around here. . . this year we are hopeing to be able to sell some of the calves, bull calves especialy for bulls and not to take them to auction but I don't know if we will be able to sell any though.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":2e2h34dj said:Keren - no - actually, I would get hurt harder on my males than females. Kids won't touch them, feedlots don't want them. But, my males are lowest $$$ makers anyway.
VCC":1kwba0xg said:In the west it seems you will get more money for a decent colored show steer then you will for a good black steer (not a great steer but good steer). There is so much competition in the black division, you just have a better chance of winning in the colored division, plus there are less colored steers to pick from. If you took 2 calves that were identical in weight, size and conformation, but one red and one black you could get up to 1000 more for the red steer. This is in regard to showsteers only, not commercial.
ALACOWMAN":3ob62wly said:I understand that black bull is old. but alot of quailty was left on the table to achieve the black color
i understand jeanne, i had a black simm bull once. still have some of his daughter's .Jeanne - Simme Valley":1ts3g26w said:There is a world of difference in quality between the two bulls. But, just because this black simmie is poorer quality, doesn't mean that all the blacks are that way.
So many will leave a bull "intact" just because he is black, and he wouldn't have even made a good STEER.
- But, ALACOWMAN, you are sooo right.
TexasSimm - I don't think ANY farm produces all "bull quality" bulls. Only the best should be allowed to stay "intact". If you ever want to get into the "bull market", you need to be castrating most of your calves. If you sell them as "feeders" intact, some of them will end up in herds for breeding. There goes that market!
Jeanne - Simme Valley":hez74ueu said:There is a world of difference in quality between the two bulls. But, just because this black simmie is poorer quality, doesn't mean that all the blacks are that way.
But, ALACOWMAN, you are sooo right. So many will leave a bull "intact" just because he is black, and he wouldn't have even made a good STEER.
TexasSimm - I don't think ANY farm produces all "bull quality" bulls. Only the best should be allowed to stay "intact". If you ever want to get into the "bull market", you need to be castrating most of your calves. If you sell them as "feeders" intact, some of them will end up in herds for breeding. There goes that market!
Brandonm22-Brandonm22":2hmuo18k said:Jean I don't really think that somebody who is cruising the feeder calf markets for his next herd bull is REALLY going to be the kind of person who otherwise would lay down $2200 for a Reg bull at a sale. There are a lot of reasons too castrate; but limiting the bull market is not really one of them. IF everybody castrated their feeder bulls, most of those "No 'cheaper' bull" people would just keep one of their own bull calves back for a breeder.
DOC HARRIS":er9y58yg said:Brandonm22-Brandonm22":er9y58yg said:Jean I don't really think that somebody who is cruising the feeder calf markets for his next herd bull is REALLY going to be the kind of person who otherwise would lay down $2200 for a Reg bull at a sale. There are a lot of reasons too castrate; but limiting the bull market is not really one of them. IF everybody castrated their feeder bulls, most of those "No 'cheaper' bull" people would just keep one of their own bull calves back for a breeder.
Unfortunately, I agree with you regarding the "No 'cheaper' bull" people retaining one of their own bulls just for a "cow-freshener"! There are a bunch of us on this Forum who have been busting our buns for a long time to help breeders understand the importance of using high quality seedstock for their operations instead of just 'any' bull to "Get a calf - get a calf - get a calf!" ...but - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't MAKE him drink!
Pity.
DOC HARRIS
:???: Whatever.TexasSimmentals":3fbkyzlk said:Ok...............I suppose yall are correct in some aspects but.....majority of the people around here only raise cattle for some side money and are not interested in raising "top of the line" bulls.......but they would like a pretty good quality for a low price.....i'm talkin like $600 low price......so I think that we have the quality for the low price......
DOC HARRIS":2h0yhbmm said::???: Whatever.TexasSimmentals":2h0yhbmm said:Ok...............I suppose yall are correct in some aspects but.....majority of the people around here only raise cattle for some side money and are not interested in raising "top of the line" bulls.......but they would like a pretty good quality for a low price.....i'm talkin like $600 low price......so I think that we have the quality for the low price......
DOC HARRIS
TexasSimmentals":2yfviw4b said:DOC HARRIS":2yfviw4b said::???: Whatever.TexasSimmentals":2yfviw4b said:Ok...............I suppose yall are correct in some aspects but.....majority of the people around here only raise cattle for some side money and are not interested in raising "top of the line" bulls.......but they would like a pretty good quality for a low price.....i'm talkin like $600 low price......so I think that we have the quality for the low price......
DOC HARRIS
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