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Here's another little tid-bit of information to help you decide if the financial crisis is over.....

Pay particular attention to the part that I have highlighted in bold and think about it.

New York Times":2iv70yb8 said:
November 1, 2009, 2:15 pm
CIT to Test Speed of Bankruptcy Court

Update | 3:46 p.m. Three months ago, the CIT Group barely averted what it considered to be a ruinous bankruptcy filing that would likely have put the 101-year-old lender out of business.

On Sunday afternoon, the company filed for Chapter 11 — but under a so-called prepackaged bankruptcy plan that will enable it to emerge from court protection by the end of the year, under the control of its debtholders. (Read the filing after the jump.)

The filing, made in a federal court in Manhattan, will still mean much pain for many parties, beginning with taxpayers. CIT received $2.3 billion in government aid last year, a bailout that came in the form of preferred stock. That will almost certainly be wiped out in the bankruptcy process, the first realized loss in the government's rescue of the financial system.

While several firms that have received bailout money, including Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, have repaid the government, others — including the American International Group, General Motors and Chrysler — are expected to lead to losses.

CIT's filing will test whether a financial company can survive the Chapter 11 process. Bankruptcy has long been considered a death knell for lenders, whose very existence depends on the confidence of its creditors and customers. The company's struggles have been watched with interest and trepidation by analysts and the thousands of small and midsize businesses that borrow from CIT.

CIT was the nation's largest provider of what is known as factoring, a type of lending used heavily by retailers. The company has spent months trying to reassure its clients that it will remain open for business as stores ramp up for the holiday season. Relatively few other companies serve as factors, and among them are other embattled lenders like GMAC.

The filing on Sunday capped months of efforts by CIT to stay alive. After being denied another bailout by the federal government, the company bargained with its creditors over a restructuring plan that would keep it operating and cut $10 billion in unsecured debt.

"The decision to proceed with our plan of reorganization will allow CIT to continue to provide funding to our small business and middle market customers, two sectors that remain vitally important to the U.S. economy," Jeffrey M. Peek, CIT's outgoing chairman and chief executive, said in a statement. "This market-based solution allows CIT to enter into the reorganization process well-prepared and positioned for a swift emergence."

While CIT had hoped to stay out of bankruptcy court through a bond exchange offer, that plan failed to win enough support from bondholders, the company said in a statement.

With $71 billion in assets and nearly $65 billion in liabilities, CIT is among the largest corporate bankruptcies on record, though it is dwarfed by the likes of Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual. The company said in its bankruptcy petition that it had $800 million in bonds maturing from Sunday through Tuesday.

CIT said that only its holding company would file for bankruptcy, and that most of its important operating subsidiaries, including its Utah bank, would continue to operate normally.

Mr. Peek, the architect of its push to grow beyond its sleepy industrial-lending roots into a major new financial player, will step down by the end of the year. People briefed on the matter said the search for his replacement was continuing and ultimately remained up to the company's new board of directors.

Bondholders will receive about 70 cents on the dollar through the prepackaged bankruptcy, though the company warned that investors could receive as little as 6 cents on the dollar in the alternative, a free-fall bankruptcy that lacked a preapproved reorganization plan.

Last month, CIT unveiled its debt-exchange offer, which would have let bondholders tender their holdings for new, longer-dated bonds and preferred stock. But it also began soliciting votes for the prepackaged bankruptcy option. Under federal bankruptcy law, approval of such a plan requires the support of more than 51 percent of the number of creditors voting and more than two-thirds of the dollar value of those bonds.

CIT said in a statement that holders of about 85 percent of its $30 billion in bond debt participated in the voting. Those investors voted almost unanimously to support the prepackaged bankruptcy plan.

Last week, the company secured several important agreements to aid its prepackaged bankruptcy plan. It obtained a $4.5 billion loan from several investors, including bondholders who lent it $3 billion in the summer. It also reached an accord with Goldman Sachs that would preserve a $2.13 billion loan even through bankruptcy protection, while paying only a portion of a $1 billion termination fee.

CIT also ended a fight with the investor Carl Icahn, who had offered to pay bondholders 60 cents on the dollar if they rejected the company's prepackaged bankruptcy offering. Mr. Icahn instead offered a $1 billion loan, although people close to CIT said the company did not expect to use the financing.

The company will be represented in bankruptcy by the investment bank Evercore Partners, the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom and the turnaround consulting firm FTI Consulting.

– Michael J. de la Merced
 
I must have missed it? Who said the financial crisis was over? Everyone I've seen says that we're coming out of the recession, but the financial crisis is far from other and it'll probably be another year before jobs start coming back. Could you provide a link to whoever said it was over? Thanks.....
 
Frankie":14s3onkt said:
I must have missed it? Who said the financial crisis was over? Everyone I've seen says that we're coming out of the recession, but the financial crisis is far from other and it'll probably be another year before jobs start coming back. Could you provide a link to whoever said it was over? Thanks.....

Jobs were suppose to stop at 8% when the stimulus package was passed. Most all spending going on now is simply government spending which skews the books.
 
TexasBred":2l9l7xfu said:
Jobs were suppose to stop at 8% when the stimulus package was passed. Most all spending going on now is simply government spending which skews the books.

How many of the new signs are up in your area stating that "this project is being paid for the stimilus and recovery act" (or something like that). I've seen a lot of them go up, and nothing else happen.

Did you know that these signs stimulate the economy by $1600.00 EACH by the time they are installed? :dunce:
 
ollie?":163n07uj said:
Frankie":163n07uj said:
I must have missed it? Who said the financial crisis was over? Everyone I've seen says that we're coming out of the recession, but the financial crisis is far from other and it'll probably be another year before jobs start coming back. Could you provide a link to whoever said it was over? Thanks.....
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Business ... 016&page=1

http://www.euronews.net/2009/08/08/obam ... y-be-over/

There you go ollie. Trying to distort my perfectly good posts with the facts...... :lol:
 
July 11, 2009

L'AQUILA, Italy -- Lasting worldwide recovery "is still a ways off," President Obama declared Friday, but he also said at the conclusion of a global summit that a disastrous economic collapse apparently has been averted.

Obama said world leaders had taken significant measures to address economic, environmental and global security issues.

"Reckless actions by a few have fueled a recession that spans the globe," Obama said of the meltdown that began in the United States with a tumble in housing prices and drastic slowing of business lending. The downturn now threatens superpowers and emerging nations alike.

Obama urged national leaders to unite behind a global recovery plan that includes stricter financial regulation and sustained stimulus spending.

He said the world leaders felt "it would be premature to begin winding down our stimulus plans.

"While our markets are improving and we appear to have averted global collapse, we know that too many people are still struggling. So we agree that full recovery is still a ways off, " he told a news conference at the end of the Group of Eight summit of major economic powers. AP
 
Haven't kept up with "factoring" in a while but it used to be nothing more than buying up "accounts receivable" from small companies (usually at a discount) with the intent of collecting more than you paid for the receivables. The way people have been running up unsecured debt that last 10 years there should be plenty of it for sale but very poorly rated.
 
The bolded print reinforces the "cash crunch theory" we are having. Cash is hard to come by.
 
IF The recession is over, why did we have to be told we were ever in one? Our manufacturing base is history... I'm an optamist, but the cold hard facts, are the cold hard facts.We depend on too may others for our products nowadays. How did it slip away from us?
 
Crowderfarms":2fahpkzk said:
We depend on too may others for our products nowadays. How did it slip away from us?

It didn't. It was taken away because of legislation in DC.
 
Frankie":15ud8j9a said:
I must have missed it? Who said the financial crisis was over? Everyone I've seen says that we're coming out of the recession, but the financial crisis is far from other and it'll probably be another year before jobs start coming back. Could you provide a link to whoever said it was over? Thanks.....

What do you think about the governments solutions to the problem? I know your holding back, but I really want to know your thoughts. For once ;-) . I'll even take a PM if you don't want to post it openly. :cowboy:

Walt
 
Tx...Frankie is a yeller dog liberal dem. She'd go along with anything if it's proposed by that party. Just don't bother him/her with details. :lol2: :lol2:
 
What really burns me up is Citigroup took Billions of of our money last year in Bailout and then just a few months or maybe weeks ago they paid out dividends to their stock holders with our Bail out money and then they file bankruptcy weeks later................You pay dividends on profit, how can they pay them then file Bankruptcy. All they did was take our tax dollars pay it out to stock holders then file Bankruptcy. Someone should go to jail for that! Just flat out steeling!
 
aplusmnt":hrobukg4 said:
What really burns me up is Citigroup took Billions of of our money last year in Bailout and then just a few months or maybe weeks ago they paid out dividends to their stock holders with our Bail out money and then they file bankruptcy weeks later................You pay dividends on profit, how can they pay them then file Bankruptcy. All they did was take our tax dollars pay it out to stock holders then file Bankruptcy. Someone should go to jail for that! Just flat out steeling!


You mean CIT not Citi.
 
HerefordSire":3rim7j31 said:
aplusmnt":3rim7j31 said:
What really burns me up is Citigroup took Billions of of our money last year in Bailout and then just a few months or maybe weeks ago they paid out dividends to their stock holders with our Bail out money and then they file bankruptcy weeks later................You pay dividends on profit, how can they pay them then file Bankruptcy. All they did was take our tax dollars pay it out to stock holders then file Bankruptcy. Someone should go to jail for that! Just flat out steeling!


You mean CIT not Citi.

Yea Cit Group not Citigroup, my bad!
 
aplusmnt":2md8akav said:
HerefordSire":2md8akav said:
aplusmnt":2md8akav said:
What really burns me up is Citigroup took Billions of of our money last year in Bailout and then just a few months or maybe weeks ago they paid out dividends to their stock holders with our Bail out money and then they file bankruptcy weeks later................You pay dividends on profit, how can they pay them then file Bankruptcy. All they did was take our tax dollars pay it out to stock holders then file Bankruptcy. Someone should go to jail for that! Just flat out steeling!


You mean CIT not Citi.

Yea Cit Group not Citigroup, my bad!


Got a link where they paid out dividends after they received the $2.3B from TARP?
 
grannysoo":2xukv48s said:
TexasBred":2xukv48s said:
Jobs were suppose to stop at 8% when the stimulus package was passed. Most all spending going on now is simply government spending which skews the books.

How many of the new signs are up in your area stating that "this project is being paid for the stimilus and recovery act" (or something like that). I've seen a lot of them go up, and nothing else happen.

Did you know that these signs stimulate the economy by $1600.00 EACH by the time they are installed? :dunce:

Well on the one hand they have just begun widening I-20 to six lanes through St Clair County creating jobs (yay!!) with stimulus money. On the other hand, because the evil goofs in Washington have been tied up arguing about health care they never passed a fiscal year 2009/2010 budget and instead we are working on a 30 day extension of the last budget. Without a guarantee of continued federal funds, Alabama has shut down several construction projects including the I-65/Corridor X junction. This has cost us jobs
 
HerefordSire":9awn45nl said:
Got a link where they paid out dividends after they received the $2.3B from TARP?

Here is a link back in April were they talked about not paying dividends to common stock but would to preferred stock. Most recently I heard they paid both on the Happy Hour show. But it is hard to find more recent articles about exactly what was paid, I will look some more. This one is after 1q 2009 reports back in April.

But on a conference call, Peek said the company will continue to pay dividends on preferred stock. He added CIT is working on returning to profitability, which it now doesn't expect to reach until 2010.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cit-1q ... s-dividend
 
I think that is proof enough. Were there any other TARP recipients distributing dividends to shareholders before the TARP funds were paid back?
 
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