Welcome To Obamacare!

[Chuckie]

If you want to hear how Obamacare is going to change in your life, Betsy McCaughey, former Lt. Governor of New York has read the entire manual/law of BS, and has studied it, and can explain what it all means. If you want to hear how corruptness brought it on, here it is......
She is pointing out the laws to people to bring it out in the open.

I hope the Republicans will not give in and keep the government shut down. This is Obama's fault and this needs to be reported to the public louder.
Obama is screaming about the Republicans being at fault, while he is afraid that the "Black list rules" of Obamacare will be read to the public. Fox News needs to push this and so do the other news publications to get these facts out. This is Obama's fault.

She is on YouTube if you want to listen to her. It will make you sick. These are just a few that I have posted, but there are many to listen to. She does have a book called, "Surviving Obamacare" if you are one that is being forced into the system. She was on one morning where she spoke of how you will have to show proof of insurance on your income tax return. If you do not have it, and you are due money back, you will not receive the money. So Eric Holder is going around from state to state filing lawsuits over voting laws to prevent people from having Voter ID's, but they want us to have Insurance ID's. Does that make sense?

PLEASE KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN...and let the public know what is really going on....
What have the American people done voting anti-American people in office?
I suggest anyone against Obamacare to call or email their Representatives and Congressmen, to continue to fight.

http://www.cattletoday.com/forum/posting.php?mode=post&f=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgEevhak5zs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAucRVoDmyQ

 

[Chuckie]

I just went to my congressman's site, and it was reported that he voted to keep the government open. To me, that was the same as him saying that he didn't want to be put on Obamacare. Of course I wrote him and told him what I thought after I voted for him.
I watched Huckabee on Sunday night and he made this statement.
Let them go ahead with Obamacare, and see that it doesn't work, and when everyone is so unhappy with it, the Republicans will be voted in, and we can change it.

I don't know what Huckabee is smoking, but as long as a Democrat is promising something, the dust mites believe it. They will promise to make it better, and they will buy it. There are illegals are still coming through the borders every day, and the voter laws are still in favor of the Democrats.
Where does Huckabee think the new Republicans are going to come from? Very few people change parties. I know several men that would vote Obama out, but they have never registered to vote, and never will. I was in complete shock when he was voted in for the second term; so who do you think will come in behind him as our next president? Clinton? I don't know, she has a lot of "baggage" to be used against her now by another Democrat. There is a good possibility that Obama's cousin will be right behind him. The new way of campaigning is to just attack the other opponent. It is going to be scary since we are not to question any one of minority standings if you can think back.....

 

[Limomike]

Obummer Care is destined for failure, then when it does, it will be too late to take back all of the freebies that people have gotten from our government. That is when our country will adopt the Socialist form of medical care like Canada or England or other European countries have. :nod:

 

[Orerancher]

Obummer Care is destined for failure, then when it does, it will be too late to take back all of the freebies that people have gotten from our government. That is when our country will adopt the Socialist form of medical care like Canada or England or other European countries have. :nod:

That has been their plan the whole time...

 

[highgrit]

I won't be told what to do by the government. But our medical care is broke in this country. And the reason why is because of the Doctors, Lawyers, and Insurance companies. Everyone is scamming the government, and we as taxpayers are the one's footing the bill. I have never met a poor Doctor, Lawyer, or Insurance man. I don't think obamacare is the way to go, but something needs to change in the health care system. Wasting taxpayers money needs to stop, and the whole country is to blame.

 

[Jogeephus]

I won't be told what to do by the government. But our medical care is broke in this country. And the reason why is because of the Doctors, Lawyers, and Insurance companies. Everyone is scamming the government, and we as taxpayers are the one's footing the bill. I have never met a poor Doctor, Lawyer, or Insurance man. I don't think obamacare is the way to go, but something needs to change in the health care system. Wasting taxpayers money needs to stop, and the whole country is to blame.

I agree. I know several people who live in the UK and ALL say their health system is great. I think we are getting played with misinformation from both sides for selfish reasons. I asked them to explain how their system is funded and this is what they told me. They take 6% of your income to pay for the social stuff which includes welfare, housing for the poor and the health care. Everyone pays this 6% and when you go to the doctor you it is free. The way I see it, we are already paying for welfare and housing so it shouldn't take 6% for us to implement a national health insurance policy for everyone but even if it did take 6% - this would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now in my health insurance coverage. So I question, why can't we do something similar? This would fix the problem with the hospitals going broke from the no pays, the doctors could get a decent salary and they wouldn't have to jack up the price for services for those who do pay.

Call me a liberal if you like but I am far from that. I just believe there is a better way. Just consider the cost of a single family policy for someone who is self employed with Blue Cross. Its $800/month with a $10,000 deductible. Same group policy with a $500 deductible and dental and eye with under a large gov't contractor is $600/month. Same group policy with GE/gov't contractor only with a $250 deductible is $460/month. What's the difference. Same company better coverage but it boils down to numbers in the group.

Why can't we all pool our money and form one large group? Why can't insurance companies sell their insurance across the country and why are they granted specific zones and/or protected territories? I can tell you why, we are getting screwed by both sides of the isle and Obama care is not the answer. The answer is for the congress to do what is right for the country and its citizens and forget politics and do what is fair and what is right for the people. Their selling us out in this area to the insurance companies and the doctors may help them get re-elected but it stymies the small business growth in this country because if you are not in a group you stand to lose everything you've worked for if you get sick. It shouldn't be this way.

 

[skyhightree1]

I don't know the correct answer or solution but I agree with High and Jo something needs to be done.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

I don't think the doctors are on the free lunch side of things. We need tort reform, we need to not pay for illegals health care, and insurance companies should not be bound by states.

Jo, I don't know of anyone going to the UK for the latest and greatest procedure. The Brits may like the financial part until they really need something in the end, there will be limitations. They have a much higher death loss than we do. You know that anything the government touches, it breaks.

Let the system work without all the strings. Healthcare isn't free. Food isn't free. But we want it to be so we can spend money on stuff we want.

Medicare is horrid, and that is governments track record. VA is the other. I don't want it.

Everyone that is against doctors making money.... Do you want bubba behind the counter at the quickie mart cutting on you? These people went to school for YEARS without pay, paying hundreds of thousands hundreds dollars in loans, have high malpractice insurance, and limited working years when it's done. They should be able to recoup some of their losses and risks without others determining what their worth. I want bright people working on me.

I don't want someone determining what I'm worth. It is a slippery slope we are too eager to jump on.

The issue is the ability of medicine at present, to do amazing things, but it comes at a cost. And people that are in the system for free are driving up the cost some, but there are ways to deal with this.

Scraping our whole system is not the way.

1. Illegals- so sorry, you pay cash or go home- you choose.
2. Medicare recipients, create centers for them to use to not cause a strain on the other facilities, and to cut waste. It will require far less oversight.
3. Open up competition throughout the country for insurers to compete.
4. Open up competition for medications and equipment.
5. Tort reform, and control malpractice costs.
6. If you don't qualify for Medicare/Medicaid and you don't have insurance, pay cash, or take out a loan. Otherwise, that is your gamble. They can be filtered into the Medicare system with its limitations once their property has been auctioned to satisfy as much of the debt as possible. It would take very little time for people to find an insurance plan, sign up for medicare/caid or decide how necessary the need is. We need some reality in this country. Life isn't free.

It won't be free and shouldn't be free, but it will be more inline with appropriate costs.

 

[dun]

something needs to be done.

Which is how obamacare came to be, having to do something even it is wrong just to say you've done something

 

[M5farm]

look on drudge and see the phone number you can call to get signed up

 

[Jogeephus]

CF, I agree with a lot of what you are saying and I'm not saying the doctor's should not be rewarded. If you look at the average doctor, he is carrying the insurance and he has at least four people on staff just to deal with paperwork. These people don't come cheap either but are necessary due to the gov't bureaucracy and all the different insurance policies. I think if you got some of this headache off the doctors and just let them practice medicine and not have to worry about covering their backs then we'd be better off.

I just feel that we as a people could unite and form a group insurance that would work. No strings. No protected territories just a large pool of money to pay for the sick and elderly. Everyone who pays in gets a card and without the card the hospitals are not forced to work on you. But like you imply, our government isn't capable of doing much more than shaking us down and throwing our money away. Personally, I would just like to get something back for what I pay in.

BTW - I had lunch with a guy a few minutes ago who owns an insurance company and I asked him how Obama care was going to affect his business. He said it was going to be great!

 

[Stocker Steve]

I don't know of anyone going to the UK for the latest and greatest procedure. The Brits may like the financial part until they really need something in the end, there will be limitations. They have a much higher death loss than we do. You know that anything the government touches, it breaks.

When we were in the UK my son had a childhood illness. We went down to the public clinic which was a real dump compared to the US clinics. We waited to be seen by a young man who looked like he should still be in school. A couple days later he the Jr Doctor knocked on our door to see if everything was going well. :nod: I think the UK provides a basic level of service for everyone. If you don't like the waiting lists, or don't like Dougie Houser MD, then you pay out of your own pocket for the more expensive private care.
When we lived in ND a neighbor' child had an expensive condition. They drove into Canada and "went through the back door" to get care. That is not right.
I think we should spend a little more on basic care, a little less on end of life care, and a lot less on lawyers.

 

[Chuckie]

All of the dust mites have been promised freebies from the beginning, and as they are taken back, it doesn't seem to phase them. Obamacare was first set up as "Free health care." Now it has been changed to "Affordable Health Care."

Here is an example of how his followers have no idea of what he says; what it means, or continue to follow him no matter when he lies:
1. In 2007, he promised this during his campaign: "Sunlight before Singing."
This is unbelievable.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU&feature=player_embedded

 

[Chuckie]

I think most of the corruptness starts with the lawyers. I have had to deal with them one time too many times, and it is a horrible way to get money take away from people just to collect paper work coming into their office, when they actually have no idea what is going on, as they do not read any of the information until you show up for an appointment. That is why they keep you waiting so long in the lobby. They control the world, and make the laws. They will not go against each other unless it is a high profile case. The cases are discussed between the two, and it is known how it will end before you have any idea.
The doctors are second. There should be a cap on what they can charge. I think the lawyers are afraid if the doctors can be capped, there is a possibility that they could be next.
The insurance companies are the glue between the two.
A common man has no chance with the system. I am not sure what the problem is going to be, but something needs to be done. If you listen to the second YouTube post that I listed, it tells of the corruption of how Obamacare was involved with much of what we are discussing. It makes you not want to go to a doctor at all now unless you are very sick.

 

[fitz]

something needs to be done.

Which is how obamacare came to be, having to do something even it is wrong just to say you've done something

I think the ACA is the first step by those wanting a single payer system. As posted above, everyone pays a percentage. Like Social Security. What information I can get now looks it's going to cost me more for coverage. My private coverage also goes up every year I age. The system does need some fixing.


fitz

 

[Limomike]

Yep. and end up working nearly 7 or 8 months of the year for the government.
My aunt died in Europe because of poor healthcare. Lack of good medicine AND doctors too. Not saying she would not have died here because of her cancer, BUT, she would dam sure had a better chance then over there.

 

[TexasBred]

Pay close attention to the VA Hospital system. That is just about exactly what this "affordable health care plan" will end up looking like....Gov't will collect the money and gov't will give the service...when and how they chose to do it.

 

[denvermartinfarms]

something needs to be done.

Which is how obamacare came to be, having to do something even it is wrong just to say you've done something

Yep, anyone that can do math should know that forcing private insurance companies to accept anyone with any condition, will either bankrupt all of them or cause insurance cost's to explode.

 

[Chuckie]

Has anyone thought about this turning into the same thing as Workers Compensation insurance? They treat you for what they want to, no second opinions...with one doctor. The insurance company tells them what they will pay for and not pay for.
You can talk to the doctor till you are blue in the face and the doctor will walk around in the office and not hear a word you say because the insurance company will not pay him to treat you for it.
If it is a long term condition, they can change the diagnosis to get you off of the treatment. It is the cheapest thing going and it works for the Worker's Comp industry. For those that are serious injured at work, that is how their treatment is handled. They are give a couple of doctors to chose from up first, and each doctor is told what the diagnosis will be, and it is the same when you go to each one by the insurance company. Take them to court to get the correct treatment, and they still give you partial treatment to get by, then a doctor from another state reads your chart, changes the diagnosis again, and you are kicked out of the system once again. This is what I am afraid of..............