USw National Oil Strike

[Caustic Burno]

Workers out at midnight in several of the large refineries tonight.
Been following this one pretty close and have sat on both sides of the negotiating table.
Company is wrong on this one, I would have walked as well.
Thank goodness I wasn't sitting on the company side on this one and having to make this offer.

Don't know all the refineries pulled out yet got 2 big ones so far Shell Deer Park
Marathon Texas City. Those two are over a million barrels a day refining capacity.

See they have pulled about half dozen more.
Sad thing is there will be a lot of divorces and some suicides before this is over.
I have watched it my entire life.

 

[greybeard]

Unionists always believe the company is wrong.
Goodbye low fuel prices.

I think that strange sound I hear is Jimmy Hoffa laughing from his grave--or maybe him and the Saudis both laughing.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Unionists always believe the company is wrong.
Goodbye low fuel prices.

I think that strange sound I hear is Jimmy Hoffa laughing from his grave--or maybe him and the Saudis both laughing.

This has nothing to do with the price of a gallon of gasoline.
It was Royal Dutch Shells turn to lead the company negotiations. That right their speaks volumes
to those who worked in the industry.
After 80 years and three generations on both sides in the same refinery I am pretty familiar with how this game is played.
I was Management GB a lot longer than holding a card.
Never seen an oil strike to this day if it was on international level it was the companies wanted it.
If it was on the local level the boys had gotten bull headed.

 

[greybeard]

I've already heard why the strike was called--the locals accepted the company proposal but the national said "NO-hold out and nail them to the wall". Locals don't have the balls to stand up to national--never ever. Sheeple.
And yes, it will be about the price of gasoline and diesel--not intentionally, but that will be an offshoot of it--another way the union will pressure the companies---thru consumer/public opinion.
The company will get the blame and all the union lackeys will smile and laugh in glee.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I've already heard why the strike was called--the locals accepted the company proposal but the national said "NO-hold out and nail them to the wall". Locals don't have the balls to stand up to national--never ever. Sheeple.
And yes, it will be about the price of gasoline and diesel--not intentionally, but that will be an offshoot of it--another way the union will pressure the companies---thru consumer/public opinion.
The company will get the blame and all the union lackeys will smile and laugh in glee.

GB as I man truly respect your knowledge and wisdom.
Your clueless on this one with all respect.
This strike was coming over a year ago the hand writing was on the wall.
Think deep level politics here.

 

[James T]

Those low prices are a God send to some but seen as the Devils work by others depending on how the oil and gas industry effects your livelihood. A whole lot of folks are hitting the unemployment lines are right now.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Those low prices are a God send to some but seen as the Devils work by others depending on how the oil and gas industry effects your livelihood. A whole lot of folks are hitting the unemployment lines are right now.

The companies are after Keystone IMO.
This is like the little boy in the room full of horse shyt, there has to be a pony in here somewhere.
In all of history only seen the Union say no at the international's and that was 1969.
The companies were making money hand over fist and that strike only lasted 3 weeks.
Every other time and I have a little family history here if it was on the international level they
wanted something.
Royal Dutch Shell is in the lead negotiations for the industry their largest refinery is at the end of the yellow brick road.
When it becomes international the Government gets involved due to PADD or some other things
PADD is the petroleum defense districts. There are many backroom meetings that
take place. Everything else is smoke and mirrors coming from the media.companies or the union.
I have been there and seen it first hand.

 

[CSM]

Thanks for the information, please keep us updated.
CSM

 

[greybeard]

I've already heard why the strike was called--the locals accepted the company proposal but the national said "NO-hold out and nail them to the wall". Locals don't have the balls to stand up to national--never ever. Sheeple.
And yes, it will be about the price of gasoline and diesel--not intentionally, but that will be an offshoot of it--another way the union will pressure the companies---thru consumer/public opinion.
The company will get the blame and all the union lackeys will smile and laugh in glee.

GB as I man truly respect your knowledge and wisdom.
Your clueless on this one with all respect.
This strike was coming over a year ago the hand writing was on the wall.
Think deep level politics here.

Yep, and I believe I even sent you a pm about this months ago, in regards to Exxon and the local union vs national-perhaps even a year ago. I'm not clueless regardless of what yoy may think.
I have family that work at Exxon Baytown --one is in management, the others in process, and another that works at the Lubrizol plant.

 

[tom4018]

Curious as to why this would not about fuel prices?

 

[greybeard]

It is-- in two different ways. The union knows the oil companies are down right now because of the low price of gasoline and diesel, and this proves to be a good time to put additional pressure on the companies thru a called strike.
The other aspect is going to be fallout from the strike. If/when refined products at the pump go up, the union leaders believe that both the govt and public will push for the companies to quickly settle.
The "deep politics" is at the national level:
The unions have took a beating elsewhere in the country in the last couple of years and they desperately need and are looking for a victory somewhere-anywhere to shore up their support and gain more followers to take the place of all the baby boomers that are dying off and retiring.


Personally I hope it pushes fuel to $5/gal and the public calls for the socialist unions to be drug out on the street along with all their supporters and be horsewhipped, but I what I expect will happen is that tomorrow, Huffer Post, Mother Jones, and Daily Kos will all run congratulatory articles extolling the virtues of the unionized proletariat in Amerka.

 

[Caustic Burno]

It is about crude price.
Refining is kinda like hay equipment no one want's it but has to have it.
Refinery profit margins go up on cheap crude. We used to target a penny a gallon in the refinery
over operating cost.
The oil companies goes down. The company makes way more money off selling crude and the company gas station
than they do refining. Some of the newer wells cost as much as 60 dollars or more a barrel to bring online.
They are selling premium crude for 48 dollars a barrel. Exxon or Shell don't run exclusively on their own oil, it is bought and sold on the commodity exchange. Crude comes from water white to the consistency of peanut butter.
There are only four refineries in the US that can run it all. Most are designed for a specific crude in a certain API range
You can do the math.
It is never has or will be beneficial to Union to go out when Crude is cheap.
This is no different than the 1980 nation wide lock out, crude was cheap
6 months later when it doubled we went back to work.

Again as said earlier I have sat on both sides of the table anything the media,union or company put out is BS.
The deals will be made in a back room the people behind the curtain will then say it is over.
Seen it happen time and time again.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I would of walked on to the job. Take the Union cry babies job.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I would of walked on to the job. Take the Union cry babies job.

Company would never let you.
They don't want the problems you will be when this is over.
Secondly they actually like the union one contract pay benefits for all hourly employees.
Had people commonly referred to as scabs want to cross every time company never would allow it again
after 1959. You would be a constant headache and in danger until the day you drug up, died or retired.
You would never be able to walk under a structure again without being in danger of a bucket of bulls plugs
accidentally getting knocked over. That would be the mild stuff compared to what your wife would take in the community
and the kids in school would be brutal.
The part you don't understand is every dollar in that community whether you work in the refinery or not
comes from the refinery.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I would of walked on to the job. Take the Union cry babies job.

Company would never let you.
They don't want the problems you will be when this is over.
Secondly they actually like the union one contract pay benefits for all hourly employees.
Had people commonly referred to as scabs want to cross every time company never would allow it again
after 1959. You would be a constant headache and in danger until the day you drug up, died or retired.
You would never be able to walk under a structure again without being in danger of a bucket of bulls plugs
accidentally getting knocked over. That would be the mild stuff compared to what your wife would take in the community
and the kids in school would be brutal.
The part you don't understand is every dollar in that community whether you work in the refinery or not
comes from the refinery.

It would be all worth it to stand for what I believe in. My family went through the same problem in the want-a-be union coal mines, being non-union wasn't hip.

 

[Caustic Burno]

You wouldn't be a problem one way or the other.
Like I said I don't know about the coal mines, but the refinery I worked
management would think of you as just as low as the union hands and not worth having.
Most of management in the refinery I worked in came up through the ranks.

 

[tom4018]

Well it didn't take long for it to push gas prices up, 32 cents jump at the pump today.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Well it didn't take long for it to push gas prices up, 32 cents jump at the pump today.[/quote

Soon as crude get s up over 60 bucks a barrel again the companies will want to start talking.
They have no desire to process crude at today's prices.

 

[tom4018]

Well it didn't take long for it to push gas prices up, 32 cents jump at the pump today.[/quote

Soon as crude get s up over 60 bucks a barrel again the companies will want to start talking.
They have no desire to process crude at today's prices.

I know there has to be a balance but high fuel prices negatively affect the economy in my opinion. How did they make money years ago when crude was cheap? I know expenses have went up but I think the oil companies have been sticking it to the public, prices jump at the instant of bad news but fall very slowly. Crude falls and it takes a week or longer for prices to fall at the pump, crude goes up and they can't change the sign quick enough. Just one of my pet peeves as oil companies try to control the market.

 

[greybeard]

Crude is up 19% over the last 2 days.

For gasoline, Trend is definitely upward:
Full states list:
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Statistics
..........................USA.........Canada
Today.................2.071........93.146
Yesterday...........2.051........92.500
One Week ago...2.034........89.600
One Month ago...2.206.......94.900
One Year ago.....3.279.......124.600
Current Trend......./\.............../\