Thats funny. How long are you guys going to go with that?TennesseeTuxedo":173k727b said:Perhaps if you didn't use 3 and 4 way cross home grown bulls you'd be better off?
Thats funny. How long are you guys going to go with that?TennesseeTuxedo":173k727b said:Perhaps if you didn't use 3 and 4 way cross home grown bulls you'd be better off?
cowgirl8":2sa3s4kg said:Thats funny. How long are you guys going to go with that?TennesseeTuxedo":2sa3s4kg said:Perhaps if you didn't use 3 and 4 way cross home grown bulls you'd be better off?
cowgirl8":26myt85s said:This is what i want CP to address.... How can someone who everyone thinks is someone with experience say this and no one says a word....???
I missed this, i'll sure look it up....thanks.Fire Sweep Ranch":2y3s6zmh said:cowgirl8":2y3s6zmh said:We started buying sim bulls in the 80s.Kids started showing in the 90s when sims started changing. The papers i dug up were from the 90s when we showed sims....I have no idea if we have papers from the 80s, we've moved twice since then. Didnt know i'd need them..lol....]
Well, not that you need to prove anything to anyone, but ANYONE can look on the ASA web site to see who owns what, and you can even look up your membership and find all the simmentals that have ever been registered to you and your kids. So, if you really wanted to know the registration number of your original bulls, all you have to do it look it up on the ASA website. What was your ranch prefix with the ASA?
My question to him was how was a commercial rancher suppose to tell which bull bred which when you run herds of 100 with 4 bulls.regolith":2h6q3cg9 said:cowgirl8":2h6q3cg9 said:This is what i want CP to address.... How can someone who everyone thinks is someone with experience say this and no one says a word....???
Very ordinary practice in dairy herds here; even a few days with a different breed bull will make the transition obvious between the AI keeper calves and the later calves, during that time when it's possible for a cow to be ten days late or early calving.
Angus should give 100% polled, Hereford 100% white face. In theory.
So it's just a question of knowing your genes, so you can be certain which bull without resorting to DNA testing. It's not the breed, but the dominant marker gene, that's wanted in this situation.
cowgirl8":1n2dkzuv said:My question to him was how was a commercial rancher suppose to tell which bull bred which when you run herds of 100 with 4 bulls.regolith":1n2dkzuv said:cowgirl8":1n2dkzuv said:This is what i want CP to address.... How can someone who everyone thinks is someone with experience say this and no one says a word....???
Very ordinary practice in dairy herds here; even a few days with a different breed bull will make the transition obvious between the AI keeper calves and the later calves, during that time when it's possible for a cow to be ten days late or early calving.
Angus should give 100% polled, Hereford 100% white face. In theory.
So it's just a question of knowing your genes, so you can be certain which bull without resorting to DNA testing. It's not the breed, but the dominant marker gene, that's wanted in this situation.
If you really want an answer to that question, look again at what I said about using a dominant marker gene that will distinguish from the AI bull/cow influence.And i have a question, if you AI your group of cows, but then turn out a bull to clean up. Do you still register the calf with the bull you AI the cow with?
cowgirl8":2wah87z9 said:The original question was, how was i going to tell which bull bred which cows when i run 4 bulls in a herd. I was asking how i was going to do as a AI does it in that comment? That was not the original question, but was what he was giving me.
My question is, i have 100 cows and 4 bulls (mind you i'm suppose to keep my calf crop consistent) would i ever be able to pinpoint which bull sired heifers out of that herd. I've asked this several times when i'm told i dont keep records like big ranches do. So, i'm asking, if you have 100 cows and 4 bulls and keep heifers out of that herd, how will you know who sired who? My answer would be, run bulls you'd want to keep heifers out of and it doesnt matter which one. In my records i'd have the year the heifer was born....the next year, i'd have her a number, ear tattoo, bangs number......the next year, her first calf and sex of the calf and color....the next year, second calf, sex and color. I only note the size of the calf it i find it necessary. I take note on if births looked difficult, if she retained her afterbirth, if she hides her calf, anything i think i can use as the years go on. TB i hope your reading this so that maybe you'll remember and wont make remarks at how i dont keep records and if you made it to this point you do. If not i'll refer you to it each time you comment that...
:nod: :nod: :nod:TennesseeTuxedo":2opqapx3 said:That was a very informative, thoughtful, and considerate post.
M5farm":1xturml6 said::nod: :nod: :nod:TennesseeTuxedo":1xturml6 said:That was a very informative, thoughtful, and considerate post.
Workinonit Farm":2w3vgpm4 said:M5farm":2w3vgpm4 said::nod: :nod: :nod:TennesseeTuxedo":2w3vgpm4 said:That was a very informative, thoughtful, and considerate post.
It was. It was pretty darned nice of him to do so. Let's hope it was taken in the spirit it was meant.
I, personally, have thrown in the towel.
X 2 :clap:TennesseeTuxedo":n7rhe6ig said:That was a very informative, thoughtful, and considerate post.
Cowgirl I've never had a "large operation". Even when dairying my herd though somewhat large for my area would not have been considered a large operation. Regardless of size the same principles will apply. Start with what you have and strive to improve the operation with every decision you make.branguscowgirl":2pre40j1 said:X 2 :clap:TennesseeTuxedo":2pre40j1 said:That was a very informative, thoughtful, and considerate post.
Awesome explanation TB. I learned a lot from what you said. I AI all my cattle, so I am learning from all of you how larger, commercial operations do things.