Schnurrbart
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About 900# too much for my tastes. Nice looking but way too heavy.
bigbull338":sa6x88wk said:the way i see it if a 2000lb cow can wean say a 750lb calf.its the same as say a 1200lb weaning the same 750lb calf.so i fail to seen your point.1 calf weans at 35 to 40% of the cows weight.the other at 50 to 60%.so the upkeep on both cows would just about be the same,the ton cow wont pull down near as bad as the 1200lb cow.the 1200lb cow will require a good deal of feed after weaning a big calf.so its all about 50/50 to me.
Brandonm2":61efkojp said:(and Jean is right you weigh cows TYPICALLY when you work the calves at ~90 days. A bunch of us MIGHT have had cows that weighed 2000 lbs 8 months bred if we had run her across a scale then.)
IL Rancher":1i85nu5y said:Oh it can get even more confusing... The US actually uses the short ton for its ton (2000 pounds)... Here is something from on line conversions
The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds.
Both tons are actually defined in the same way. 1 ton is equal to 20 hundredweight. It is just the definition of the hundredweight that differs between countries. In the U.S. there are 100 pounds in the hundredweight, and in Britain there are 112 pounds in the hundredweight. This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries.
To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.
There is also an third type of ton called the metric ton, equal to 1000 kilograms, or approximately 2204 pounds. The metric ton is officially called tonne. The SI standard calls it tonne, but the U.S. Government recommends calling it metric ton.
Clear as mud? I don't know why for the brits the 100 weigh was 112 pounds, I'm sure their is a reason for that somewhere in time..
Aero":1fp0yube said:Brandonm2":1fp0yube said:(and Jean is right you weigh cows TYPICALLY when you work the calves at ~90 days. A bunch of us MIGHT have had cows that weighed 2000 lbs 8 months bred if we had run her across a scale then.)
i think the Angus Association wants cow weights and condition scores collected w/in 30 days of weaning.
im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.Brandonm2":209svi3i said:bigbull338":209svi3i said:the way i see it if a 2000lb cow can wean say a 750lb calf.its the same as say a 1200lb weaning the same 750lb calf.so i fail to seen your point.1 calf weans at 35 to 40% of the cows weight.the other at 50 to 60%.so the upkeep on both cows would just about be the same,the ton cow wont pull down near as bad as the 1200lb cow.the 1200lb cow will require a good deal of feed after weaning a big calf.so its all about 50/50 to me.
What world are you living in??
The only way a typical 2000 lb cow is in better condition than a typical 1200 lb cow of the same age, breed, days of lactation, and milking ability is if you aren't putting out enough hay rings and the moose is kicking the smaller cows out of the ring and she is getting all the food.
(and Jean is right you weigh cows TYPICALLY when you work the calves at ~90 days. A bunch of us MIGHT have had cows that weighed 2000 lbs 8 months bred if we had run her across a scale then.)
bigbull338":1btppqcd said:im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.Brandonm2":1btppqcd said:bigbull338":1btppqcd said:the way i see it if a 2000lb cow can wean say a 750lb calf.its the same as say a 1200lb weaning the same 750lb calf.so i fail to seen your point.1 calf weans at 35 to 40% of the cows weight.the other at 50 to 60%.so the upkeep on both cows would just about be the same,the ton cow wont pull down near as bad as the 1200lb cow.the 1200lb cow will require a good deal of feed after weaning a big calf.so its all about 50/50 to me.
What world are you living in??
The only way a typical 2000 lb cow is in better condition than a typical 1200 lb cow of the same age, breed, days of lactation, and milking ability is if you aren't putting out enough hay rings and the moose is kicking the smaller cows out of the ring and she is getting all the food.
(and Jean is right you weigh cows TYPICALLY when you work the calves at ~90 days. A bunch of us MIGHT have had cows that weighed 2000 lbs 8 months bred if we had run her across a scale then.)
dun":31afdmxl said:KNERSIE":31afdmxl said:SA went over to the metric system in 1961, I wasn't even born then
I've got socks older then that!
dun
im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.
they can have all the pasture they want.the management skills are the same.the feed isnt adjusted up or down.its clear that we dont see eye to eye on things.an we both know it.so no need in trying to kick up dust on the subject.Beef11":3okummy8 said:im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.
So you regulate the intake on the bigger cows so that they only eat as much as their smaller friends? How do you do that on pasture?
bigbull338":1xsoig82 said:im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.
bigbull338":1pxywvdf said:they can have all the pasture they want.the management skills are the same.the feed isnt adjusted up or down.its clear that we dont see eye to eye on things.an we both know it.so no need in trying to kick up dust on the subject.
Beef11":3644nx43 said:im living in the same world as you are.an we have our own opions an thopughts.an i dont conform to your thoughts.i treat cows the same weather they weigh 1200 or 2000.an the upkeep for both is the same to me.they are both fed the same.no special treatment.
So you regulate the intake on the bigger cows so that they only eat as much as their smaller friends? How do you do that on pasture?
lovecows":jgar84je said:What do you think of a cow that weighs a ton? She is a 3 year old Simmental about to have her second calf. We put her on the scale and she weighed just over a ton. I would not say she is too fat, either. Just a big cow. Big boned and a lot of meat. I'm not sure what her frame score is. Need to measure her. Anyway, what are the advantages and disadvantages of a large cow? A couple of commercial cattlemen have seen her and said "Forget those small Angus cows - I like HER!" However, I know that most want a moderate frame. Her first calf, a bull, weighed 80 lb at birth and weaned at 875 (205 days). He is a 7 frame. Thanks for your comments.
:shock: :shock: SAY WHAT?? :shock: :???: The upkeep on both cows would definitely NOT be the same!! :roll: In addition to that, in light of one cow being 800# to 1000# HEAVIER than the other, you could increase the NUMBER of 1200# brood cows in your same land area by 35 - 40%! Increase you calf production by even 25%, and you could put some BIG wheels on that 2000# "bunk hog" (pretty darned good phenotype, by the way!) and make a Profit of about $75.00 per cow by using a lighter (1100#) momma cow instead!Aero":1ggzfmdm said:bigbull338":1ggzfmdm said:the way i see it if a 2000lb cow can wean say a 750lb calf.its the same as say a 1200lb weaning the same 750lb calf.so i fail to seen your point.1 calf weans at 35 to 40% of the cows weight.the other at 50 to 60%.so the upkeep on both cows would just about be the same,the ton cow wont pull down near as bad as the 1200lb cow.the 1200lb cow will require a good deal of feed after weaning a big calf.so its all about 50/50 to me.
did you forget to take the crazy pills this morning?
the cow has to be fed year-round... not just after weaning.
a calf that weighs 700 lbs requires the same nutrition no matter what size its dam is. the only reason the 2000 lb cow is in better shape is because she has consumed much more than her fair share of available resources. the 1200 lb cow used much less of the resources throughout the year.
do you think your land will support just as many 2000 lb cows as 1200 lb cows? 1000lb cows?