Running heavy Breds through chute

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I'm off this week and need to work our first calf heifers. There is 16 total and 6 havent calved yet. We just have a head gate and no squeeze. They will be getting vaccinated, worked and old fly tags pulled out. Is it too hard/dangerous to work these heavy breds? They are 8 months or more.
 
Gentle and easy. I wouldn't want any fighting with them. I would be more concern with what you are vaccinating with at this stage.
 
I wouldn't touch them.

I don't ever mess with them that far along unless it's an emergency
 
tncattle said:
I'm off this week and need to work our first calf heifers. There is 16 total and 6 havent calved yet. We just have a head gate and no squeeze. They will be getting vaccinated, worked and old fly tags pulled out. Is it too hard/dangerous to work these heavy breds? They are 8 months or more.

I sent you a PM.
 
Just like anything there's a chance things could go wrong but we've had to do quite a bit with our heavy bred cows/heifers depending on the year. This year heifers were run through pretty late for scour bos, booster, branding and brisket tags all at one time. The heifers were new to us and we didn't have any pillows in the runway or chute, had a couple go down, one that wouldn't get up till I let her out of the headgate - she never got her brisket tag till later but we had no issue with abortion. We haul our breds home to calve every year 10-14 days before calving start date without issue too. If you need to do it get it done.
 
tncattle said:
I'm off this week and need to work our first calf heifers. There is 16 total and 6 havent calved yet. We just have a head gate and no squeeze. They will be getting vaccinated, worked and old fly tags pulled out. Is it too hard/dangerous to work these heavy breds? They are 8 months or more.

Ebenezer said:
Not a problem.

Yeah, but if something does go wrong you'll always wonder.....can't say working a heavy bred has caused a problem here, but I always let out a sigh of relief after one calves on its own.
 
1982vett said:
tncattle said:
I'm off this week and need to work our first calf heifers. There is 16 total and 6 havent calved yet. We just have a head gate and no squeeze. They will be getting vaccinated, worked and old fly tags pulled out. Is it too hard/dangerous to work these heavy breds? They are 8 months or more.

Ebenezer said:
Not a problem.

Yeah, but if something does go wrong you'll always wonder.....can't say working a heavy bred has caused a problem here, but I always let out a sigh of relief after one calves on its own.
The show must go on. Get 'er done. Have run them thru chutes for years like that for prebreeding shots. Breds get KV and calved cows get MLV. Never saw an issue. Even preg checked late and had cows calve within a short time. Just don't be a macho man and rough them up.
 
Interesting comments, we put the whole cow herd through every year for scour vaccination 2 weeks prior to calving. Once in a while a dead calf is born or a premie but the benefit still outweighs the drawback.
 
I workem when I can, heavy breds , light breds, retainer heifers, whatever. They are not fragile, if you do your part and stay calm and take care of bidness, you're gonna have a minimum of problems related to. We can always wonder what if.
 
Gcreek
Colostral antibody levels are 'set' by 5 weeks pre-calving.
If you're giving vaccines to cows at 2 wks pre-calving in hopes of passing protection on to calves, you've 'missed the boat'.
Ideally, any vaccines intended to boost colostral antibodies need to be given no later than 8 wks prior to calving.
 
Lucky_P said:
Gcreek
Colostral antibody levels are 'set' by 5 weeks pre-calving.
If you're giving vaccines to cows at 2 wks pre-calving in hopes of passing protection on to calves, you've 'missed the boat'.
Ideally, any vaccines intended to boost colostral antibodies need to be given no later than 8 wks prior to calving.

Scour Bos 4 & 9 - Booster is recommended 4 weeks prior to calving and Scourguard booster at 3 weeks prior. I wouldn't say he's missed the boat if using Scourguard and everyone doesn't calve the first week. I know when spring calving up here I'm more concerned with scours in my late born calves than the early ones. Everything frozen when we start calving and water laying everywhere when we're done.
 
Yeah, I know what the label recommendations are on those vaccines... but they're old and outdated... not in step with our current understanding of best colostral immunity management practices in the dam and calf. But, the manufacturers are not gonna go back and jump through all those regulatory hoops (and millions of $$$ spent) again just to change the label to reflect that newer understanding. It's up to producers and veterinarians to update their own procedures to account for advancements.
Keep on giving them 'late' if you want, but for best colostral antibody levels, they need to be given well before that 5 week pre-calving threshold in order for the cow's immune system to respond appropriately.
That said, the rota/corona virus deal is a bit different - absorbed colostral antibodies don't really provide any protection - you need the constant presence of secretory antibody(IgA) in the gut to provide 'local' protection... and we know, from studies done back in the 1980s, that properly vaccinated cows continue to produce detectable levels of anti-corona IgA in their milk for at least 30 days post-calving(that was as far out as they tested), presumably protecting the calf's gut from infection by corona virus.
 
Lucky_P said:
Yeah, I know what the label recommendations are on those vaccines... but they're old and outdated... not in step with our current understanding of best colostral immunity management practices in the dam and calf. But, the manufacturers are not gonna go back and jump through all those regulatory hoops (and millions of $$$ spent) again just to change the label to reflect that newer understanding. It's up to producers and veterinarians to update their own procedures to account for advancements.
Keep on giving them 'late' if you want, but for best colostral antibody levels, they need to be given well before that 5 week pre-calving threshold in order for the cow's immune system to respond appropriately.
That said, the rota/corona virus deal is a bit different - absorbed colostral antibodies don't really provide any protection - you need the constant presence of secretory antibody(IgA) in the gut to provide 'local' protection... and we know, from studies done back in the 1980s, that properly vaccinated cows continue to produce detectable levels of anti-corona IgA in their milk for at least 30 days post-calving(that was as far out as they tested), presumably protecting the calf's gut from infection by corona virus.

I have had the "label" conversation with the drug companies a couple times. There are errors and/or out right misinformation and they know it. It cost too much to make the changes.

I have gotten more familiar with the procedures since my son is the international editor for clinical trials for Eli Lilly. Ever wonder about that long list of side effects a drug causes? I now know why they throw everything on that list including the kitchen sink.
 
Lucky_P said:
It's up to producers and veterinarians to update their own procedures to account for advancements.

You may very well be right(sounds like you and Raven know what you're talking about) but I get a chuckle at how you make it sound like someone would be negligent for not going against the label and the instructions of their veterinarian. In my case the vet was out 2 months ago and we reviewed my vaccination protocol among other things. We don't all have time to review every study that comes along, but most of us do the best we can for our animals. I'm happy with the results so far this year though, a month into calving 50+ calves on the ground, not a case of scours and if you're correct protection should be at a high just as the melt is on.
 
Rydero said:
Lucky_P said:
It's up to producers and veterinarians to update their own procedures to account for advancements.

You may very well be right(sounds like you and Raven know what you're talking about) but I get a chuckle at how you make it sound like someone would be negligent for not going against the label and the instructions of their veterinarian. In my case the vet was out 2 months ago and we reviewed my vaccination protocol among other things. We don't all have time to review every study that comes along, but most of us do the best we can for our animals. I'm happy with the results so far this year though, a month into calving 50+ calves on the ground, not a case of scours and if you're correct protection should be at a high just as the melt is on.

Lucky didn't bother telling you that he's a veterinarian :shock: :shock:
 

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