TexasBred
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Really?? Last one I bought had a rattle in the door. Finally took the panel off the door and found an empty half pint of Canadian Mist. :lol2: :lol2:TennesseeTuxedo":3hkqxw88 said:
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That sux... I just got rid of mine a couple months ago.
TexasBred":181fig99 said:
They sell that in KY but no self respecting Kentuckian would be caught drinking it. Must have been a transplant from someplace else.
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Mine is on the list. It's got to be a hell of a deal for me to pursue it
Nesikep
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Honda Ridgeline sure makes a good showing there 
highgrit
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TexasBred":33hdcad4 said:
It doesn't list the percentage of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Ford must make a great 1/2 truck, I see a lot of them on the road. But when you get to the heavier duty diesel pickups Ford has lost a bunch of customers. I can't seem to find the site at the moment, but I read where Ford lost 27% of the diesel truck market since 2004.
greybeard
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"F-series" includes all their trucks--not just F-150.
2012:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/02/wh ... -2012.html
2013:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/04/wh ... -2013.html
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2012:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/02/wh ... -2012.html
2013:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/04/wh ... -2013.html
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highgrit":1p763l3y said:
Not surprising. Our company trucks are going in one by one now for dust on the sensor in the air intake. We change them every 5K miles when the oil is changed. Dealer says it should be as needed and is trying not to warranty it.
So if you have a Ford diesel make sure you have a pile of air filters and change them more often than 5K miles. Oh ya... and the have to be Ford filters. Imagine that. :roll:
Jogeephus
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Dodge is getting railroaded on this. Problem started with the GM truck ignition that killed a lot of people. GM tried to cover up their mistake and not report it to the gov't by replacing all the defective parts with new parts labelled with the same part number so when these parts hit the dealer's parts shelves they were mixed with all the defective ones and those defective in the vehicles couldn't be identified because they all had the same number. NHTSA caught it on the chin for not punishing GM for this but GM successfully argued that was the old management and not the new and the new management was blameless.
If anyone has the right to use this defense its Dodge since most of the vehicles in question were built before Fiat bought them out. Basically this whole thing amounts to is these older trucks in question do not meet today's safety standards BUT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE BUILT. Most have had recalls on them for some time and the NHTSA will insure that those people who refused to take responsibility and take their vehicles in to the shop to have the recall work done will be given some cash and be rewarded for being irresponsible. Others will be inconvenienced because their vehicle no longer meets today's safety standards.
Whether you are a Dodge fan or not just think about this for a minute. The government creates a standard for you to build a product by then a few years later when times and technology change the manufacturer is held responsible for these aged products not meeting the new standards. And people wonder why we are losing our manufacturers in this country.
If anyone has the right to use this defense its Dodge since most of the vehicles in question were built before Fiat bought them out. Basically this whole thing amounts to is these older trucks in question do not meet today's safety standards BUT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE BUILT. Most have had recalls on them for some time and the NHTSA will insure that those people who refused to take responsibility and take their vehicles in to the shop to have the recall work done will be given some cash and be rewarded for being irresponsible. Others will be inconvenienced because their vehicle no longer meets today's safety standards.
Whether you are a Dodge fan or not just think about this for a minute. The government creates a standard for you to build a product by then a few years later when times and technology change the manufacturer is held responsible for these aged products not meeting the new standards. And people wonder why we are losing our manufacturers in this country.
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Jogeephus":1mi5camc said:
That's about the gist of it Jo, but to clarify, the recalls on the trucks were legitimate and aren't really new. The recall on Ram 3/4 Ton trucks has been in effect since 2013 for example. This is why the 500,000 vehicle tally originally reported wasn't correct and only approximately 150,000 will be affected by the announcement.
The recalls on the 20 year old Jeeps, however, is a major point of contention which you've outlined. How can a government agency set a standard, then 20 years later when standards are more stringent, expect the manufacturer to meet a standard that wasn't in existence when they produced a product. Using that logic, the NHTSA that should be equally liable for not setting the standard 20 years ago at the level they are today. It even made jalopnik's 10 most ridiculous recalls:
http://jalopnik.com/the-ten-most-ridicu ... 1682535784
As far as the buy-backs, normally they'll establish a base value for your vehicle model, trim and age, then deduct for mileage (I'm guessing around 25 cents per mile). So if you're in the million mile club on your Cummins, you won't be getting much in the way of a buy back.
In any case, the whole thing stinks of taking media attention away from another failed government agency (NHTSA), not fixing any real issues.
If your idea of fun is watching paint dry, you can read the official report on how negligent the NHTSA was in the GM recalls here:
https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/f ... -18-15.pdf
Jogeephus
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That would be about the same thing as the NFL coming back and saying field goals were no longer acceptable scores. Wonder what the Giants fans would think of the NFL if they did that and awarded Super Bowl XXV to Buffalo. Its crazy but I guess someone needs a job.
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Jo I agree with you to a pointJogeephus":yg72i0o4 said:
The main reason for the ordered BUY BACK is this part was defective and therefore a recall was ordered and the part that Dodge replaced it with has failed as nuch if not more than the original re called part
Then they offered another part to use as the replacement but they have had a problem obtaining this new part in the quantity that was needed to replace all the defective ones out there
They were given the chance time and time again to fix this problem but some how and somewhere the ball got dropped and so now the NHTSA has ordered them to do the buyback and then once the vehicles are fixed with a suitable part Ram can resell these vehicles
I spoke with a Dosge dealer today and so far the Dealers have received no information or guidelines on how to proceed with this buyback so as far as the dealers go it doesn't exist yet
hurleyjd
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A few weeks ago Fiat Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne was trying to convince GM to take Chrysler of off of Fiat hands.
hurleyjd":3swux2bz said:
And Angela Merkel has been trying to get somebody to take Italy off of hers for years.
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oscar p
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I've had 2 recalls on my 2012 ram 3500 4x4.It's been on the repair list for 7 months now, at Alexander dodge in Albertville, Al. Have called 6 times over the 7 month period. They say they can't get the part. Called the number on the recall paper to tell them about the dodge place up here. They told me not to worry about the recall, I should be getting a letter from Chrysler anytime now. Wanting to buy my truck back. They ask for my vin number and mileage. Told me my truck was in the buy back program. Said he couldn't elaborate on it, just wait till they contact me. Went to Cullman Dodge, ask the salesman about it. He said Chrysler would offer a butt load of incentives plus 10 percent to trade trucks. But wouldn't just cut me a check and me walk out. He said that's what he was told. My truck just has 34000 miles on it. I Looked at a new one just like it. $64000. If they buy mine back,I'm going to buy a small farm, crap on a new truck.
