Frenchie:
I went ahead and cut and pasted all my comments on this thread.
They follow:
I bet her calves don't weigh even 40% of what she does when they wean off. She has the look of a cow that has weaned a below average calf for at least 2-3 years, putting the fat on herself and starving herself. Depth is pretty if it is real, ugly if it is just fat from poor maternal production.
mtnman
Wow!
I've got a challenge for all you folks putting words in my mouth. Go find where I said I like frame 3 cows, I can't find it. Again, here we sit reading into what others say.
I don't know who Larry Samsom is, and I don't know what you mean talking about hair on her tail.
Cows get a look to them after several eyars of low or no production, and that cow has it. Something I can't really describe about the look of the fat on them, like it's all hard, stale fat, not soft, fresh fat. She looks like shes got it. Look at her udder too, it's got he look of being full of old fat, not fresh fat like she just weaned a heavy calf and is gaining body condition.
ollie is right, she's got good. It looks to me like she just LOOKS good cause she's fat from low production ability, not easy fleshing and productive. I don't know that I can describe what I mean. She's counterfeit, if I could find 100 that look like her, but don't look stale, we'd really have something. I don't know what she weighs, I can't tell by looking at a picture, I don't know what frame she is, I can't tell by looking at a picture.
She is heavy muscled, and I like that, she is deep, and I like that, but beyond that, the type of fat she carries indicates her low productivity. Call this Larry Samsom guy and get his opinion, maybe he can look at her tail.
mtnman
That's what I said-----UNPRODUCTIVE! She raised a dead calf!!!
Dang, us guys at MARC must REALLY know cattle, considering that I called it, and the rest of you folks like her, except for texan, and txag, who both caught it, too.
Or maybe, I don't really work at MARC at all, or anywhere else in the scientific world.
What's it gonna be, is mtnman a scientist that can pick out unproductive cattle better than the 'real cowmen' here, or is he just a cowman with some good sense who likes to review science now and then?
mtnman
Now with that all done, frenchie, please point out where I said she was barren, or sub-fertile.
Re-read what I wrote and tell me where I missed the boat on this cow, please.
I said she looked like she either had missed production, of had several years of low production.
Today's early post what more just to see who would fly off the handle more than anything else.
She's a nice looking cow, but part of the "niceness" comes from extra BCS due to low prodcution, or missin ga calf somewhere along the line. I don't know how to tell you what I mean, but I already did. Her fat is old, stale fat, not recent fat. In other words she had an opportunity to get fat sometime a long time ago(like when she didn't wean a calf the one year), and now she doesn't milk enough to take the old fat off her back. Missed production, followed by low production.
Didn't say anything about barren, subfertile, or any BS like that. That is someone else's interpretation of the cow, not mine. I don't care whose fault it is if she lost a calf, I said she looked like she had a history of no or low production. PERIOD.
All I did was describe the cow the way I saw her.
I apologize for "basking" a bit in my earlier post of today, I keep getting accused of this or that here on the board, so I it was nice to be "right" just that one time.
mtnman
I went ahead and cut and pasted all my comments on this thread.
They follow:
I bet her calves don't weigh even 40% of what she does when they wean off. She has the look of a cow that has weaned a below average calf for at least 2-3 years, putting the fat on herself and starving herself. Depth is pretty if it is real, ugly if it is just fat from poor maternal production.
mtnman
Wow!
I've got a challenge for all you folks putting words in my mouth. Go find where I said I like frame 3 cows, I can't find it. Again, here we sit reading into what others say.
I don't know who Larry Samsom is, and I don't know what you mean talking about hair on her tail.
Cows get a look to them after several eyars of low or no production, and that cow has it. Something I can't really describe about the look of the fat on them, like it's all hard, stale fat, not soft, fresh fat. She looks like shes got it. Look at her udder too, it's got he look of being full of old fat, not fresh fat like she just weaned a heavy calf and is gaining body condition.
ollie is right, she's got good. It looks to me like she just LOOKS good cause she's fat from low production ability, not easy fleshing and productive. I don't know that I can describe what I mean. She's counterfeit, if I could find 100 that look like her, but don't look stale, we'd really have something. I don't know what she weighs, I can't tell by looking at a picture, I don't know what frame she is, I can't tell by looking at a picture.
She is heavy muscled, and I like that, she is deep, and I like that, but beyond that, the type of fat she carries indicates her low productivity. Call this Larry Samsom guy and get his opinion, maybe he can look at her tail.
mtnman
That's what I said-----UNPRODUCTIVE! She raised a dead calf!!!
Dang, us guys at MARC must REALLY know cattle, considering that I called it, and the rest of you folks like her, except for texan, and txag, who both caught it, too.
Or maybe, I don't really work at MARC at all, or anywhere else in the scientific world.
What's it gonna be, is mtnman a scientist that can pick out unproductive cattle better than the 'real cowmen' here, or is he just a cowman with some good sense who likes to review science now and then?
mtnman
Now with that all done, frenchie, please point out where I said she was barren, or sub-fertile.
Re-read what I wrote and tell me where I missed the boat on this cow, please.
I said she looked like she either had missed production, of had several years of low production.
Today's early post what more just to see who would fly off the handle more than anything else.
She's a nice looking cow, but part of the "niceness" comes from extra BCS due to low prodcution, or missin ga calf somewhere along the line. I don't know how to tell you what I mean, but I already did. Her fat is old, stale fat, not recent fat. In other words she had an opportunity to get fat sometime a long time ago(like when she didn't wean a calf the one year), and now she doesn't milk enough to take the old fat off her back. Missed production, followed by low production.
Didn't say anything about barren, subfertile, or any BS like that. That is someone else's interpretation of the cow, not mine. I don't care whose fault it is if she lost a calf, I said she looked like she had a history of no or low production. PERIOD.
All I did was describe the cow the way I saw her.
I apologize for "basking" a bit in my earlier post of today, I keep getting accused of this or that here on the board, so I it was nice to be "right" just that one time.
mtnman
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