Hereford markings

[redcowsrule33]

Posting this here to avoid hijacking the "cow bred by two bulls" thread.

In reference to Black and Good's hereford bull that throws solids. This suggests heterozygosity for the hereford marking gene (ShS+) instead of ShSh like you would expect. Which may explain how the feathernecks have been bred out more and more in the breed, as Sh is incompletely dominant over solid, so you get the restricted color pattern but a white face.

So, if this is true, there should be solid animals showing up in the hereford breed, as there should be some ShS+ x ShS+ mating occurring.

Are these animals being swept under the rug since they don't meet breed standard, or is the heterozygosity not really occurring in the breed and there is a more nefarious reason for his bulls heterozygous status, or am I missing something in my color breeding knowledge? I am not bashing herefords here, just looking for clarity.

 

[JHH]

Just about as pigmented as I have ever seen.Also a carrier

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 9=50525B5D

 

[KNERSIE]

Just my opinion, but before the frame race hereford bulls sired white or brockle faced offspring without fail.

 

[JHH]

Just my opinion, but before the frame race hereford bulls sired white or brockle faced offspring without fail.

I have had a lot of brockle faced ones. I have a few that way now. They are mostly line one though. I know my current bull could use more pigment around his eyes.

 

[KNERSIE]

Just my opinion, but before the frame race hereford bulls sired white or brockle faced offspring without fail.

I have had a lot of brockle faced ones. I have a few that way now. They are mostly line one though. I know my current bull could use more pigment around his eyes.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant to say hereford bulls sired white or brockle faced calves out of angus cows, without fail

 

[JHH]

I guess mine might be caused by a spotting gene? Here is what I am talking about.You can see the spot on her face kind of.

 

[JHH]

 

[Herefords.US]

Just about as pigmented as I have ever seen.Also a carrier

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 9=50525B5D

The IEC comes from 9012Y.

 

[Herefords.US]

Posting this here to avoid hijacking the "cow bred by two bulls" thread.

In reference to Black and Good's hereford bull that throws solids. This suggests heterozygosity for the hereford marking gene (ShS+) instead of ShSh like you would expect. Which may explain how the feathernecks have been bred out more and more in the breed, as Sh is incompletely dominant over solid, so you get the restricted color pattern but a white face.

So, if this is true, there should be solid animals showing up in the hereford breed, as there should be some ShS+ x ShS+ mating occurring.

Are these animals being swept under the rug since they don't meet breed standard, or is the heterozygosity not really occurring in the breed and there is a more nefarious reason for his bulls heterozygous status, or am I missing something in my color breeding knowledge? I am not bashing herefords here, just looking for clarity.

The quest for pigment around the eyes is leading toward more and more Hereford cattle having "splotches" of red on or around their face. No doubt, if the trend continues, the breed trait might be eventually bred out.
But, to date, I have never seen a Hereford X Hereford that had a solid color head/face other than white. And I have never seen a pure Hereford sire or have a calf, crossed with ANY other breed, where there wasn't still a good bit of white on the face, so my first concern would be the purity of the "Hereford" in question.

 

[Kologia]

The quest for pigment around the eyes is leading toward more and more Hereford cattle having "splotches" of red on or around their face. No doubt, if the trend continues, the breed trait might be eventually bred out.
But, to date, I have never seen a Hereford X Hereford that had a solid color head/face other than white. And I have never seen a pure Hereford sire or have a calf, crossed with ANY other breed, where there wasn't still a good bit of white on the face, so my first concern would be the purity of the "Hereford" in question.

I know this is an old thread but I have a solid red face Hereford bull. Dam and sir both white face. First one I've ever seen . Both parents registered

 

[StrojanHerefords]

Could you share the pedigree?

 

[Rmc]

There is not a single "Hereford marking gene" the Hereford coloration is an accumulation of a number of color genes.

 

[Travlr]

I know this is an old thread but I have a solid red face Hereford bull. Dam and sir both white face. First one I've ever seen . Both parents registered

Not saying it couldn't happen... but it's more likely that the solid red bull across the fence did a little fence jumping.

 

[Ky hills]

My understanding is that even if just one parent is purebred Hereford the face should not be solid, it could be mottled though.
I have actually heard of folks getting solid faced calves from commercial cows bred to registered Hereford bulls. The implication being that there is something else in the genetic woodpile of the Hereford bull. I have never seen that so cannot verify
I do know that we are using a commercial bull that is 3/4 Angus and 1/4 Hereford. Some of his calves look very much like a purebred Hereford out of Hereford or even Hereford cross cows at times. We sometimes get solid color calves from him as well out of crossbred 1/2 Hereford cows as well as solid white faced and a range of mottled faces.
My point in bringing up about the crossbred bull is that often times if we went by looks alone several of our cows would look like pure Herefords but in reality they have a significant percentage of another breed in them.
I also know that a significant number of present day registered Herefords look like what we used to call rednecks as far as their markings, sone have spots on their faces or rings around their eyes. I'm not sure if breeding those kind of cattle together for a few generations could eventually get to solid face or not.