- Feb 4, 2016
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- Clark County, KY
Agree 100%, I've tried to explain that difference on here before.Ken - @wbvs58 - we are not talking the same ANGUS cattle. You have good Angus cattle from all your pictures I have seen. There are a few Angus herds out here that have GOOD Angus cattle. But, the majority of Angus breeders are chasing MARBLING & $$ indexes. I have never seen so many poorly muscled, deer footed, pencil thin legs as I have seen this past few years. I can pretty much guarantee anyone that YOU LOOK at your cattle when you make breeding decisions.
I look at the numbers, but only after the phenotype fits what I need for my cows. And I never look at marbling. My main numbers are CE, WW, YW, MCE, REA.
He along with several other contributors on here have sone fine herds of Angus cattle. I really like the look of Ken's and Jscunns Angus especially, both herds look like the type and kind I would love to have.
I've been saying for a long time that a lot of Angus breeders are more like multipliers in that they breed to a the highly promoted bulls, which generally have the numbers and or prefix that's hot at the time.
The cattle are assumed to be good and superior because of the prefix and numbers and people don't always select for feet/legs, fertility, disposition etc.
I'm speaking from experience when I say a lot of those cattle have not held up for us, and in conversations with other breeders I've been told of similar frustrations with the breed.
I know and believe that other folks have done well with Angus, my thinking is that they probably started out with a stronger base cowherd than I was able to put together. My small herd of registered Angus from several different breeders had the pedigrees, but not always the quality that is promoted.
I believe a lot of the problem with Angus has been the emphasis on carcass and other terminal traits.
I have t kept up with the breed for several years but the new thing back then was the $B index, which is from my understanding growth/ terminal focused grouping of several traits.
Logic would say that selection for that is not going to favor the needed cow traits, that cow/calf producers need.
I literally stopped registering calves from a certain cow because of her feet. Hers were not terrible but seemed like whatever bull her calf would be by would have worse feet than her. I finally bred her to a Hereford bull and that calf was a great improvement. I did not expect that outcome to be that much of a difference.
I will be culling out my last 2 registered Angus cows soon as 10 year olds. They were the 2 best at having a calf every year on time. I've always considered them commercial quality cows because of their feet and it's finally gotten to where it's a problem for them. One should have went down the road before last winter.