3way I don't think it will matter to much if they do away with the durham red program and just call them shorthorn plus. Most breeders didn't want to submit that much data on the animal to get a paper. They tried to make it just like red angus requirements full herd reporting and all that but you could get a shorthorn plus paper much easier with just a sire reg. num bw and ww. They will still make there money on it I'm sure. Never seen the GV/ SH cross before, sounds interesting to me. Never tried the simmie /sh cross either. For show ring that could be pretty interesting, say Sullivans bulls on some Dream On daughters. Look Out!!!!! :cowboy: Maybe the simmie side will actuall y put some doability in those Trump genetics. If you don't know shorthorn genetics CF Trump was sire of the year like 7 times. Straight show cattle. Melted faster than butter in the oven when they had to earn their own but feed them up and pretty hard to beat em in the show ring. Trump probably responsible for 80 to 90 percent of the population right now :cry2: Sullivan Farms last sale made 1.34 mill. They have linebred trump and tried to pass them off to commercial buyers in Denver last few years. Not helping the shorthorn breed in my opinion.